Nissan Powered Mustang
I don’t know why, and I don’t know where, but this Ford Mustang is a hybrid car of a different color. The rumor that accompanied the pictures was that the car is from the Fast and Furious 3, but I have zero confirmation on that rumor.
Update: I have confirmation that this is indeed a car built for the Fast and Furious 3.
This Mustang is powered by a Nissan RB26. The RB26 engine is originally found in the Nissan Skyline GT-S R32 & R33. It is a short-stroke, iron-block six with one turbo that takes well to modifications. In factory trim the engine produces around 250 Horsepower and is backed by a 6-speed transmission.
Update:
The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift will be hitting theaters on June 16th and this Mustang/Skyline hybrid will be making its appearance on the silver screen. According to information that I have gleamed from various magazine as well as several other websites, the actual RB-26 Mustang was not used for all the action sequences, but rather conventional Ford powered “stunt cars” were used as only a single RB car was built.
The RB car, does actually work. According to testing done by Sport Compact Car in their July 2006 Issue the car puts down a 13.36 @ 109.83, which is just a hair slower then my ZZ383 powered 1964 Malibu. Considering the high trap speed, coupled with the fact that 19″ Volk Racing wheels are hardly optimal for drag racing, I have to give the car some respect.
On the dyno the RB Mustang put out 340.2 RWHP @ 7300 RPM, which is more then a stock RB26DETT, but is far from being anything remarkable.
At the end of the day, this car is a prop for a movie, and much like the Fast and Furious, it can only be enjoyed if they are not taken too seriously.
Not All Drifting Mustangs have Nissan Motors.
A side note, the color of the car appears to be the same Highland Green color as Steve McQueens Mustang GT from the movie Bullit. The engine, however, is a far cry from the 390 cid engine in McQueens Car.
December 12th, 2005 at 12:48 pm
that is CLEARLY a rb26 as stated on the front of the valve cover, and YES it will be featured in F&F3.
December 12th, 2005 at 2:46 pm
I have made the correction. Thanks for pointing that our. I am not familiar with the different Nissan Motors and 26 is rather hard to make out for someone that does not know these motors.
December 18th, 2005 at 4:45 pm
It sickens me to see that a ricer engine was installed in this car. What was wrong with installing a nice 289… 302… 390 V8??? Oh… I see now… the other ricers wouldnt have been able to keep up with it!!!
December 18th, 2005 at 7:27 pm
I guess if you’re between the ages of 15 and 20 you might think this is cool. It’s pretty obvious the producers of the Fast and Furriest movies are simply using the tuner culture as a marketing ploy and exploiting it to turn a profit. Needless to say all the little kids with their budget Hondas are falling right into that trap…
December 18th, 2005 at 8:17 pm
I think steve mcqueen would roll over in his grave if he’d seen this…..
December 18th, 2005 at 8:36 pm
i’d like to see your v8 compete on the track..
im sure the rb will make much more whp stock with just a boost controller, if thats what you’re looking for.
December 18th, 2005 at 9:21 pm
I see that this post is creating some heat. I will say that the Nissan motor is nothing to be sneezed at, but if it was my mustang, I would most certainly be putting a LS1 motor in there. Doubt the power of a LS1 in a mustang? Look no further. A fairmont is based on the fox chassis and shares suspension components with the mustang.
December 19th, 2005 at 9:59 am
I think that is awesome to see. I feel the same way when I see a old school datsun 240Z with a stroker V8 equipped with a snail shoe horned into it. I realize that the hardcore Ford fans are not gonna be to interested in this car, perhaps even offended. The RB26DETT is a beast. It can easily handle 500 hp without any type of internal modifications. There are some out there running 1600 whp.
This car/concept should appeal to anyone who likes fast cars. You can’t go wrong with twin turbos.
Can anyone tell me what kind of car this Nissan is racing?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8680702969864741214&q=nissan+300zx
I’m a big fan of all kinds of motor configurations – inline 4’s, 6’s – V8’s, V12’s, etc
But I’m really all about potent small dispacement motors – espeacially when they have boost.
December 19th, 2005 at 10:52 am
Sounds like a SBC running an x-pipe. I think that the car in the far lane is a Camaro.
December 19th, 2005 at 11:31 am
cant believe this would categorize as “rice” in the first place.
December 19th, 2005 at 1:03 pm
True, the “rice” designation is usually reserved for things that are tacky and slow. A mustang is hardly tacky and a Skyline motor is far from slow.
December 19th, 2005 at 1:31 pm
HAHAH! THat will teach u stupid muscle car drivers where the real power comes from. LOL!
December 19th, 2005 at 8:14 pm
Sorry, this is RICE. The cars been defiled, burn it.
A ricer motor in a Mustang IS rice, hp doesn’t make it cool. Rice is a style or trend and it sucks. Of course it will appeal to stupid kids with their pants halfway down their butts just like those POS movies.
What ever dumb ass did this should be thrown in Tookies old cell.
I’d rather see a Chevy motor in there, like that 10 second Fairmont (good job).
Good old fashion push rod AMERICAN V8. No silly ass blowers plopped on limp wristed motors.
December 19th, 2005 at 8:56 pm
One point I would like to make is that Ford no longer makes a push rod v8, Ford v8s are all sohc and dohc now.
A 5.0 liter out of a Fox body would be a cool upgrade, but I am not a huge fan of the 4.6 liter Fords of late. They can be built to make good power, but I feel that they are far less reliable then the the General’s ls1 design.
December 20th, 2005 at 9:38 am
I agree that the “ricer” trend is retarded and tacky. I can’t help but laugh when I see a front wheel drive car with a HUGE spoiler on the trunk lid. But just because it comes from Japan doesn’t mean that its rice.
Have you ever seen a truck on the road with every possible accessory from the catalogue? We all have – and it looks ridiculous – is their a name for that?
I’m not a big fan of the fast n furious series but I am looking forward to seeing this car in the new movie.
December 20th, 2005 at 1:34 pm
A wise man once said “Horsepower sells a car. Torque makes it go.” Remember that when you’re comparing an RB26 to a V8.
December 20th, 2005 at 2:13 pm
I second that.
I hope the brains behind this fall off a large cliff and live to feel the pain of a humungas hippo eating them limb from limb.
PS: DIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIE!!!!!111oneoneoneone!11
December 20th, 2005 at 5:11 pm
I guess its just japan returning the favor of us americans putting our V8s into classic Zs.
Still would rather have a twin turbo 427 in there.
The exausht looks like crap, but other then that it looks good.
December 20th, 2005 at 7:29 pm
Actually its “Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races”
December 20th, 2005 at 7:35 pm
“Horsepower sells a car. Torque makes it go” That wise man was an idiot. Horsepower is just Torque multiplied by rotational speed, and since cars have these fancy things called “gears” rotational speed doesn’t mean jack. If you have more horsepower, you will go faster, just make sure you keep the engine in the power band.
There is no comparison between an old ford V8 and that Nissan motor. The nissan is lighter, smaller, more efficient, and a hell of a lot more powerful. It will be better at everything, drag racing, road, street, anything. The only thing the ford motor is beter at is burning gas and spitting out harmful emitions.
I can’t for the life of me figure out why so many Americans are so insanly attached to old crappy engines. Caurburation and push rods were outdated 50 years ago, get over them.
December 20th, 2005 at 9:39 pm
I’m sorry man, but the fart cannon alone on the back of that car makes it rice. True story, nuff said…
December 20th, 2005 at 10:57 pm
indeed the exhaust looks like crap.
dont categorize one of the top import motors capable of more hp stock with a simple boost controller than your v8s will ever make. STOCK.
rice isnt defined as 600+hp on stock internals.
rice is defined as like above, tacky and pointless accessorizing.
I dont know how much tq. figures a V8 would show stock,
but we “ricers” all know RB comes to par with almost any motor out there.
also, take into consideration that RB motors are inline 6, compared to the domestic V8
December 20th, 2005 at 11:32 pm
More information about the RB-26
More about the the biggest Ford Engine availible for a 1968 mustang
Gen III GM Smallblock (LS1)
You will note that in stock form the Gen III GM motors have the highest horsepower numbers, they also are the lighest, but I am biased towards GM motors, I however, have nothing good to say about their modern cars.
Oh and here is a site with a supra and a mustang that someone grafted together.
I also remember seeing a webpage with a 65 chevelle with a supra motor installed in it, but I can’t remember where and I am unable to find it again.
December 21st, 2005 at 6:09 am
Nobody is debating the horspower potentials of that nissan motor…but what you idiots dont get is this, You take the same amount of money it takes to build that 600 horsepower nissan motor and dump it into a nice 350 or 400 small block and youll be pumping out nearly twice as much horsepower…not to mention a shitload more torque. Gee, I Guess thats why top fuelers build monster big block V8’s and not nissan 6’s. Sure the nissan motors are powerful but they dont belong in a classic mustang. Sure people may throw SBC’s in old Z’s but I dont believe in that. And by the way….who the hell wants to see a mustang that sounds like BUZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzBUzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzBUzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
December 21st, 2005 at 11:25 am
Nice….I love it
December 21st, 2005 at 12:12 pm
The rice crowd can defend their engines and cars all they want but here is the truth. Japanese cars WILL NEVER achieve the type of acceptance as a good old classic American car. 30 years from now you won’t see a 2005 Nissan at a classic car show. Know why this is? Because Japanese cars lack soul. Japanese are very effective at building advanced components that can keep up with the best of them. I don’t think anyone could argue otherwise. However no matter how hard they try, nothing they produce has any sort of human feeling expressed in it.
Think I’m crazy? Compare some machinery and it’s quite evident. A Japanese Zero is functional and efficient, but look at it, a fuselage, engine, and cockpit. If a 5 year old drew a plane, that’s what it’d look like. No fuse, just function. Compare it to a P41 Mustang or a Spitfire. Not only are they effective planes, but just by looking at them you see the designer put some style into the design. A little bit of himself you might say. Compare a new Honda street bike to a Harley Davidson. Sure the Honda can beat it in any situation but which would you prefer in your garage? The heritage, the look, the sound of a Harley wins every time. Compare a “classic” ‘72 Toyota Celica to a classic ‘72 Corvette. Do I even have to go there?
Try as they might, the Japanese can’t do it. They can’t buy it, they can’t feel it, and they can’t comprehend it. As the saying goes, often imitated, never duplicated. And if you the reader can’t understand what I’m saying then you don’t get it either. You’ve bought into the notion that dependability equals styling and soul. You’ve been brainwashed to believe that jellybean shaped body panels, automatic transmissions, beige exteriors, gray interiors, and a slightly worked V6 is automotive nirvana. It’s not your fault. Heck Detroit has lost it’s way and shoveled us the same crap as well since they see how well the Japanese have been doing with this concept. I can only hope that we as a nation wake up and want more than just an appliance to move us from point A to B. Seeing designs like the new Mustang gives me hope that Detroit is waking up from it’s coma.
If your into the Japanese movement then good for you. Everyone shouldn’t be into the same thing. I bet you import guys like vanilla ice cream too. I prefer chocolate with a big cherry and whip cream on top.
December 21st, 2005 at 2:23 pm
Just to update the description of this motor, It is an RB26DETT meaning Race Built 2.6l Dohc Electric fuel injected Twin Turbo. It came from the R32-R34 (not just the R32, and R33) Skyline GTR, It’s an Inline 6 iron block/ aluminum head that was equipped with individual throttle bodies. Also the only generation that came with the 6spd transmission is the R34, the R32 and the R33 came with a 5spd. This motor stock comes with 280hp. On the stock twins alone this motor has been taken up to 500hp with little modification other then advancing the boost, larger FMIC, downpipe, exhuast, advancing the timing, and running a engine management. Now if we are talking about stock internals, I am sorry, but they have been taken way past the 600hp mark that some one has already claimed on one of the posts. Highest amount of power made on an RB26 was on a tube frame B12 Nissan Sentra. It made 945hp and 1117 lbs./tq. Ran a best time of 7.787@176mph. Now if you are wondering the stats on this vehicle, well here they go:
Stock block
Stock connecting rods
Stock head gasket
Stock cylinder head
Stock cams
Stock cam gears
Stock timing belt
Stock crank
Stock intake manifold
So with stock internals he made 1117 lbs./tq and ran a 7.78 in the 1320ft….now how many other cars can you recall that can run that fast on stock internals?….I didn’t think so. These blocks can easily be taken to 1000hp on stock internals and there goes the proof. What other motor other then an Inline 6 (being the RB or 2jz) do you know that can handle that much hp on stock internals?
I do think it is quite funny how you guys think that it is rice….What makes this car rice? Motor is not rice, because compared to a domestic motor, these motors (RB’s) are actually fine quality piece of work compared to the domestic V8’s that you see out there. If you do not agree with me, then please link me to the highest hp achieved on a stock V8 block. Remember we are talking 2 less cylinders and normally half the displacement then the common V8. You guys love using the word rice, because it is simply new to you guys and you can not grasp the concept of it yet, because you guys know absolutely nothing about how much power can be achieved with some of the imported motors that we are running today.
I love the last comment made about how much these motors cost to build, because it is an incorrect statement. I myself have an RB25 (which is the single turbo 2.5l version of the RB series) in a Nissan 240sx. I have fully built the bottom end with all forged internals and have every aftermarket bolt on (turbo, intake manifold, injectors, fuel rail, fuel pump, fuel management (full stand alone), FMIC, etc…..list goes on….) and I am still under $6000, that includes any where from cost of the motor, forged internal parts, machine work, suspension, drag radials with wider rims, lsd, full 3.74” stainless steel exhaust, etc…Car is easily capable of 650hp and would be easily capable of 750-800hp once if I were to upgrade the turbo, fuel pump, and injectors. Now remember 650hp+ in a car that weighs 2750lbs and the right traction is easily capable of 10’s.
What is so wrong with this guy throwing one of these inside his mustang?….first off it is his car, get your own car and do what ever you would like to it, because that is all he is doing. The swap is unique, it is clean, and from the pictures it looks like it is done right. I don’t think this guy has any plans of being a top fueler (like commented before) any time soon. He probably wanted a RELIABLE motor with the amount of power he planned on having (and my guess is that he has a turbonetics T67 on there and is running around the 600-700hp mark) and what other motor to have then an RB, 2jz, or 1jz?. I will admit that domestic motors can make plenty of hp at a decent price, but I didn’t go that easy route out mainly because I knew that the RB could take me were I wanted to go for just as cheap and it would be more reliable.
December 22nd, 2005 at 2:53 am
Find a truck chevy big block from the junkyard ( 454 ), change in a new cam meant for higher RPM’s, headers and keep the stock heads. Bolt on a supercharger. Add two of your favorite carburetors. Call it a day. Will take a hell of a lot less money than any twin turbo piece of crap import.
December 22nd, 2005 at 10:47 am
You will never convince a muscle head. I am on both sides. If you want to go in a straight line buy american, if you want to take a turn and maybe drift, buy anything else. I have my american pride, but american cars are just soo out-dated. Example: new mustang with solid axle. Tell me that was designed to handle.
December 22nd, 2005 at 11:36 am
This is rediculous. If you read about the movie, youll find that it originally has a 427 FE motor in it. That RB26 doesnt belong in the same area code as that motor. Its a disgrace to Domestic cars everywhere.
December 22nd, 2005 at 1:04 pm
I’m sorry but if taking one of the most efficient and stoutly factory built engine out of one of the worlds GREATEST SUPER CARS is ‘rice’ then someone needs to stop topping off their Ensure with grandpas cough syrup. People fear what they dont know and what threatens what they do know. I’m sorry if the 289/302 over rated underpower peices of crap that would require thousands of $$ in internal work to even compete with the levels of power that that RB is capable of STOCK. Sure it comes from Japan. But your ‘American’ V8’s hail straight outta Mexico. I don’t know but I’d take my chances with Japanese quality control before I trust something made in Tijuana. It’s funny how many people are so ignorant into believing that because every punk kid with a Honda thinks hes a racer that this makes all imports crap. How many cars are still using that peice of crap live axle we see in the back of our beloved mustang, to this day? No doubt, the LS1 is a powerhouse, and I’d take one over an RB any day of the week. But when people start spitting out names of motors from 30 years ago that put out 4x the displacement of this RB and less HP, it just makes me laugh. Oh and the specs above are wrong. The RB came in the skyline GTR32, 33, 34. And it put out 320HP stock. Turn up the boost and you’re showing most “Muscle” cars the ass end of a beautiful, technologically advanced peice of machinery. Hell, without even turning up the boost you’re probably doing that anyways. Oh and then you’ve got to mention the all wheel drive and all wheel steering. There is not an american muscle car that can hang with the Skyline GTR with the exception of the Viper and the new Vette (maybe). So before you jump to the conclusion that something is rice, why not take a moment and educate yourself before you go and make yourself look more ignorant than you already are. Peace. Oh and no, I don’t drive a Honda :p
December 22nd, 2005 at 2:38 pm
Slayn…..please show me a link that works proving that an american v8 has hit a higher mark then the 945hp…1117lbs./tq. with stock internals?….please show me. Otherwise, shut up and sit down, becuase you can not call it a piece of crap if it is stronger and can make much more power on stock internals….don’t try and make any excuse or change the subject…becuase the only way to prove me wrong is to find real evidence of a v8 going over 945hp on stock internals.
Thank you
December 22nd, 2005 at 3:43 pm
ColdBastrd, I have to say that is one of the most closed-minded views I’ve ever seen. Not only is your statement that Japanese cars lack soul untrue but the fact that you think thirty years from now people will be ignoring 2005 Nissans at a classic car show is simply ridiculous. I can understand your deep-seeded hatred for Japanese cars, it’s pretty common among muscle car enthusiasts, but determining whether or not Japanese cars will be showcased at classic car shows in the future requires looking at who will be attending these shows. Thirty years from now the majority of muscle car owners/enthusiasts will be long gone, and the people with the most money will be today’s ricers. They will all grow up and grow out of their immaturity, but they will still like the same kinds of cars, and will still feel nostalgic when they see an old Skyline or 350Z. Just look at SEMA. Something that used to be a muscle car show is filled with Hondas and Nissans and Mazdas and ugly cars with huge rims and all kinds of flashy garbage that only a ricer could love (to be honest I was pretty disappointed). What I’m saying is that whether or not you agree, there are plenty of people out there who love Japanese cars and when all the muscle car fanatics are gone the ricers will still be middle-aged.
Your idea that Japanese cars lack soul is something that I can only assume is a result of inexperience with Japanese cars or stubbornness. I agree that some Japanese cars lack soul, there are plenty of sedans and SUVs out there that are simply commuter cars meant to be driven to and from work every day, and to the grocery store on weekends. If you’re complaining about these Japanese cars not having soul then I have to point out that there are just as many American cars out there with no soul. If you try to tell me a Ford Focus has soul, or that a Chevy Cavalier is a good car by any stretch of the imagination, then obviously your views on soul are very twisted.
Yes some American cars have soul, but just as many have no soul at all, and the same can be said about Japanese cars. If you drive an Integra Type-R on the track, or an S2000 you will understand Japanese soul. Integra Type-Rs are the best performing front wheel drive cars in the world, and they’re a blast to drive on the track, even stock. S2000s, 300ZXs, Twin Turbo RX-7s, Supra TTs, Skylines, all these cars have plenty of soul, you just need to get behind the wheel of one to feel it.
What you also have to remember is that we don’t even get some of the best Japanese cars in North America. Chances are you’ll never even get a chance to drive some of the best cars from Japan. Honestly, saying Japanese cars lack soul is like saying German cars lack luxury.
Your arguments sound like they’re based on bias and assumptions, and it doesn’t look good.
December 22nd, 2005 at 4:32 pm
It’s just as much a disgrace to put in V8 in an old Z as this is.
The only rice on this car is the exhaust and yet it’s actually not rice seeing it actually makes the spool time lower with higher flower of exhaust that a single big direct exhaust makes.
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:24 pm
The only 302 blocks that came from mexico were the mexican blocks. (hey)
The windsor blocks have been around for more then 40 years, ford kept them into production until they switched to the OHC MOD engines.
They are about the same weight as an RB engine, they are actually a lot lighter then an L series engine.
The 03 cobra MOD engine can make 1000hp on stock internals, but I dont see anybody praising it.
You can buy a set of pistons, rods, and a crankshaft for under $600 for a windsor engine’s bottom end and it will be set for just about any amount of power you can throw at it.
How much does it cost to import an RB engine from Japan?
I can assure you that you could build a 302 with a rock solid bottom end, great flowing heads, a streetable cam, and a twin turbo setup for it making over 800hp and 800ft/ibs of torque for the price of importing an RB and “tune” it to make even 400hp and this is a big and, it would belong in this car.
December 22nd, 2005 at 8:21 pm
I can’t believe all you guys saying the engine doesn’t “belong” in the car. If you’re gonna be that narrow-minded about it then the only engine that belongs in the car is: guess what? THE ENGINE THAT CAME WITH THE CAR.
Christ, it’s a fucking car, built by man, driven by man, modified by man. You can do ANYTHING with a car. Do you idiots watch Monster Garage and get upset because wings don’t “belong” on a Panoz? It’s a piece of machinery and whatever can be done to it is fair game, whether you like it or not.
If this was some guy who had on operation to give himself gills, or horns or something then the “doesn’t belong” argument would be pertinent, but saying an engine doesn’t belong in a car is the most retarded thing I’ve ever heard. You guys act like you’ve been personally insulted and that this is some freak of nature, that it goes against God to put a Japanese engine in an American car. Get over yourselves, people. If Ford had designed that motor you would all be creaming your pants right now.
December 22nd, 2005 at 10:32 pm
Your thoughts on how a car has soul are misguided as are a lot of posts here. What gives cars a soul really? Are you equating speed and handling to soul?
I can only assume that is what you mean by this:”they’re a blast to drive on the track, even stock…..all these cars have plenty of soul, you just need to get behind the wheel of one to feel it”. I can only assume after reading this that you have little experience with American cars. I’m talking classic iron not modern. I think I made that somewhat clear in my post. See because what we have here is a classic ride with a new heart and that is what everyone is bickering about. Take a ‘67 427 Vette with sidepipes out for a cruise then go jump in a 300Z. The 300Z could terrorize the Vette. Hand it’s a$$ to it every which way from Sunday. But you’re going to tell me that the sound coming out the of the 300Z is better than hearing the noise coming out of the sidepipes? Are you going to tell me that rowing threw the gears of a old Muncie trans. doesn’t feel better than daintily selecting the gears of a modern 5 speed Mazda unit? Oh sorry new cars don’t use shifters anymore they use paddles. Just like your Xbox kids. Drive a Hemi Cuda then drive a RX-7 and then tell me which has more soul. Paaaaleaze.
Now onto the subject of a 2005 Nissan at a car show 30 years from now. Off the top of my head I will list 5 timeless American auto designs, then you come back and tell me 5 timeless Japanese auto designs.
1957 Chevy Bel Air
1965 Mustang Fastback
1932 Ford 5 window coupe
1967 Corvette
1969 Chevy Camaro
OK now your turn. Go ahead, off the top of your head. And don’t say a Datsun 240Z because that was a copy of the Ferrari 250 GTO. Heck it’s so close that there are kit car companies out there that make a conversion for it. Hmmm well let’s see, I bet you can’t. Because there isn’t any. Drive down the street in a classic car and see what kind of reaction you get. Kids with their mouths open, guys pulling up next to you to compliment you, girls waving. You think you’re going to get that same reaction 30 years from now rolling down the street in a 2005 Honda? Funny I don’t remember seeing any books at the book store with the title “Toyota: The Legend”.
Who the F cares how much horsepower your 4 cylinder can produce. Who the F cares how little money it’d take to make it go fast. That is not the point and I don’t think the “tuner” crowd can understand that. Look at one of the main things “tuners” buy. A big honkin’ sound system. You think a guy with a Cobra with a 427 side oiler even has a radio in his car? You don’t need it with the sounds and feelings you experiance while driving something like that. You guys who know soul, know what I’m talking about.
Why are people pi$$ed about this? Because your taking something that is a pure expression of human thinking and sterilizing it. An old Mustang with all it’s warts, all it’s faults, and all it’s problems is more in tune with what driving is ment to be than any Japanese car will ever be. It’s like resculpting Michael Angelo’s David with 24 inch biceps and 64 inch wide chest. Will he look better? Yeah probably. Will he look RIGHT? Probably not.
Oh CB your wrong, your bias. Go and compare junior. It’s obvious you’ve haven’t spent much time in anything other than rice rockets. And don’t assume you know anything about my experiences with automobiles.
December 22nd, 2005 at 11:48 pm
Stock internals doesnt mean shit. If your stock internals are crap, then theyre crap, big deal you replace them. There is a big debate in american V8’s between the mustang cobra motors with forged internals vs the GM’s LS1 which came with pretty craptacular internals that can only safely handle around 500hp. Stock vs stock, the Ls1 beats the supercharged piece of crap cobra engine, but the cobra engines have strong stock internals and can be upgraded to handle a crapload of boost. The LS1 is better stock, and has more potential, but it limited by the fact that it will start blowing shit up past a certain threshold. Stock. Guess what? You can upgrade pistons, connecting rods, and cranks. Pretty cheap too. It aint hard. Especially on older chevy’s, where you can not only upgrade what you put inside, but stroke the crap out of V8’s to get even more hp/torque.
And where the hell did anyone provide a link that shows anything about all this shit with this nissan engine? Ive heard a lot of crap sputtered about 1000 hp and all stock heads/cam/internals/blah blah, but I dont see any evidence of all this. And wikipedia isnt evidence, I hope you know, that site is reliable as shit.
December 23rd, 2005 at 12:27 am
I just posted the Wikipedia link as a baseline, not at gospel. I will second Slayn. someone post a link to a 1000hp Skyline. I have been hearing this for years, but I have yet to see one anywhere other then my Sony playstation. I do not want a link to a Supra with 1000hp I have already seen one of those in person.
A Mustang with a Ford under the hood.
On a second note: Keep the number of f-bombs to a minimum, they don’t help your arguments and I don’t want to censor anyone.
December 23rd, 2005 at 2:17 am
There are tons of Skylines that are 1000HP…Some have even run on stock internals. Search yourself on google or yahoo.
Someone wanted to know what a RB26 cost, you can get one used for 3 grand or new for like 6 grand here in the US. RBmotoring (US company) had a 900hp daily driven skyline but they sold it.
December 23rd, 2005 at 5:47 am
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3106147659441220968&q=skyline
December 23rd, 2005 at 11:16 am
Cold Bastard – did you really compare a Hemi Cuda to a RX-7 or is that a type-o?
5 timeless Japanese designs
1967 Datsun 2000 roadster – first 5 speed Japanese sports car
1976 Datsun 280z or 300 – take your pick
1992 Nissan Maxima SE – Hemmings Sports & Exotic Car magazine had a recent article that showcased 25 Japanese Collectibles and this was one of them
1996 Nissan 300ZX
Any Nissan Skyline
2005 Nissan 350Z – 35 annv edition
Any Toyota Supra – especially the 96 Twin Turbo
1992 Toyota turbo MR-2
1994 Toyota Celica All Trac Turbo
1999 Acura integra Type R
Acura NSX
Yes – The Mazda RX-7 – any gen
Subaru Impreza WRX
Mitsui Lancer EVO
Pick any 5 you want
I love the rumble of a big V8 – also love the hissing and spitting sounds that a turbo makes. Either way, windows are down and sound system is off.
My dream car which is obtainable is a Noble M12 – zero to 60 in 3.9 seconds with a Twin Turbo 3 Litre engine made by who? Ford!!!
December 23rd, 2005 at 2:47 pm
There are so many 1000hp+ RB’s out there that it is hard to keep track. Greatest part about the whole thing is these motors have only been around for 15 years and just recently tested and tuned to a high potential. How many years have your common V8’s been around and how long have americans been tuning them?…..65 years +….we are already on your ass with the potential level with 2-4 less the cylinders and a hell of a lot less displacement. You have to love hard headed domestics like most of you here. Some of the higher end japanese motors are very quality motors compared to domestics. Yes you say that stock internals do not matter, but that is incorrect, becuase it shows the quality of the motor and quality of a motor is qaulity of design as well.
Want another 1000hp+ RB….alright well here goes another one:
http://www.exvitermini.com/movies/jumpoff.mpg
ever see a awd that is properly strapped down with even multiple extra straps and 4 people on the car to try and keep it down on the ground…but it still can not stay on the dyno?….oh yeah that is right, it is just a weak ricer powerless jap motor.
This car has 1,350bhp and has run a best time of 8.273 (calculated to be only at a 66% power potential on that run) http://www.exvitermini.com/movies1104/GTR700-DragCombatFinal.avi
December 23rd, 2005 at 5:33 pm
Here are some videos and facts:
R34 Z-tune (quickest production car made (10.003):
http://www.vodcars.com/media/videos/videos_player.php?vidid=470
Decently quick GTR:
Second Fastest GTR (7.92):
http://media.putfile.com/Reece-McGregor-R32-GTR-792–256kmh-14-mile
Fastest R33 GTR is the HKS’s R33, it ran a 7.76@181.98. (this was done on street legal tires
)
Fastest RB26 is the HKS 180sx and it has recently run a 7.0@198 )
December 24th, 2005 at 2:01 am
coldbastrd, you’re so full of it..
you seem to compare the ones you know from the american heritage, however you dont seem to know alot about the japanese heritage.
you might say your 72 cobra or whatever has “soul” for the americans, but the same applies to the first and 2nd gen of the skylines, as well as many other cars that i can’t think of the names of.
everyone is pretty biased and being a racist here.
everyone on this stupid little e-arguement loves cars.
whats the difference whether its a japanese, european, or american car?
the fact you people call the import enthusiasts “ricers” is just unacceptable.
its basically like saying you domestic enthusiasts are hardheaded or whatever others call you.
this is on the level of all car enthusiasts.
stop hating, all of you.
i know nothing of the american cars, so i’ll back the nissan motor, however im sure there are both + and – of the two repectively.
doesnt matter who wins this arguement online, you’d all be retards if you kept going on with this meaningless arugement
December 24th, 2005 at 8:11 am
Timeless – (tÄ«m’lÄs) Unaffected by time; ageless.
Seriously dude are you saying that the cars on your list are timeless?? I’d say most on the list are dated at this point. Some of the newer ones I’d say fall under the category of Japanese in-the-minute quirky styling. And the rest I’d say, yeah alright maybe they aren’t bad looking and got some nuggets, but I wouldn’t say they are timeless. I bet your the same kind of guy who says Whateverthename baseball player who breaks Babe Ruth’s home run record is greater than the Babe. You’ll go on about how baseball was differant back in the day and how if the Babe was alive today, he’d suck. You know what? Whateverthename baseball player ain’t as great as the Babe! Leonard DiCaprio is a good actor. They like to say he’s the “modern day Marlon Brando”. Guess what? He ain’t no Marlon Brando! Mr. Qualye, you sir are no John F. Kennedy! Sorry kids, you have to go back to 1988 to understand that reference.
Look we can all go on about this till the end of time. Post lots of impressive numbers and horsepower ratings. To each his own. Neither side will win. Cause you see folks, some people look at the Mona Lisa and just see a homely lady with a half crooked smile and some look at a velvet Elvis poster and see a masterpiece.
December 24th, 2005 at 9:18 am
This argument is devolving a bit, I don’t think that anyone is making personal attracts, and the last couple of comments have been pretty solid with evidence, clear points, and have kept name calling, etc to a minimum.
Nobody here has stated their race or country of origin so I don’t think that it is safe to make the assumption that people are being racist, or that all the domestic backers are even Americans.
When I posted the pictures of the Nissan RB Motor in a 1968 Ford Mustang Fastback I knew that it would get a response and I am glad it did. It shows that people coming to this website have passion and are not afraid to let it be know.
I think that some are leery of applying the term “classic” to Japanese cars because Japanese car makers were just getting going at the time when GM and Ford were putting out some of their best work. This dynamic has however changed a bit over the last 3 decades and GM and Ford no longer dominate the automotive market.
I think that some of the reason for this decline comes from mistakes made by GM and Ford, but I also feel that part of this decline comes from the fact that Japanese auto makers continued to innovate and make cars that consumers want.
I personally like the RB Motor more then I like a Ford 289, but the RB motor does have the advantage of some things that simply did not exist at the time of the 289. For example, transistorized ignition, computer control, sequential fuel injection, and some many more things that I can’t think of right now.
Here is a Ford engine that makes some power thanks to some modern upgrades.
December 29th, 2005 at 7:57 am
the thing that needs to be realized here is that the movie in question will be the downfall of civilization as we know it (as if the first movie didn’t do enough damage to america’s youth). it will be an even bigger pile of trash than the last two and no amount of cool cars will be able to counteract that.
December 30th, 2005 at 8:56 am
I think its cool,rb26 is a great motor,makes crazy hp with light mods, all u muscle heads need to knock the dust off your dicks and step into the present.They have been putting v8’s into miatas, z’s, and RX7′S, like i own ,im not boo hooing about it! grow up.I do think the car could have a more low key pipe on it,maybe some of those new 20′ inch mustang wheels i see on the 05’s. But it looks like a nice swap to me.And with that turbo atleast 500+whp.
December 30th, 2005 at 4:01 pm
If you don’t like the swap (I personally don’t have strong emotions on it), fine, but the RB26 engine certainly isn’t rice. It is ironic that some muscle guys blindly hate on imports and call import drivers that blindly hate on domestics “ricers.” The way I see it, you’re no better than the ricers driving neon Hondas. I personally drive an import but I appreciate cars for their performance, not for their root (domestic, japanese, european, whatever). I appreciate and understand the muscle guys’ respect for the heritage and their displeasure w/ the swap (the abomination known as FF is another topic), just as I respect the heritage of my beloved Nissan. It is sad that more people cannot appreciate different approaches to car designing and are blinded by their narrowmindedness.
December 30th, 2005 at 4:04 pm
PS: Arguing about styling is like arguing about your favor color, it is too subjective for anyone to really make sound arguments – ie: the Brits will always love the European cars, Americans will love the good ol’ muscle cars, import enthusiasts will always think the Rx7 FD is the pinnacle of car design (gross generalizations, but you get my point).
January 1st, 2006 at 6:51 pm
First of all this mustang is now junk!!!. Who and why would anyone take a piece of american history like a mustang and put an off shore built engine between the rails.
Yeah it took alot of thought but did anyone think thats one more mustang that a true car builder cant get now!! Any real car builder not import techs will feel the same way if it came american leave it american if it came from anywhere else send it back!!! Americans build cars Japanese buy them. Offshore stuff is fast thats not the arguement but its a real kick in the balls to mix them. Its to different hobbies lets see a ricer run for the ridler award it will never happen because hotrodders wont let it!!!!!bottom line this is one subject where the two objects will never work car builders please dont try this again leave this abortion to hollywood big wigs and let them look stupid!!!!!!
January 2nd, 2006 at 1:38 pm
LOL The mustang king of the streets was won by Mahdavi motorsports…….an import shop in atlanta that mainly builds 500hp civics,supas,and rx7s..cars are cars,if its yours do what the hell u want to with it.
January 4th, 2006 at 7:09 pm
You can hot rod any car, make serious horsepower and go fast. The ricers and their souped up mosquito’s will never have the true status of American Icons. Horsepower and torque are much higher than the little motors and they can take a much better beating, they sound mean, are fast and powerful. The sound of a pumped V8 with a loping cam and snarling exhaust is awesome and commands repect from all who hear.If the rear end doesn’t move around during a smoky burnout it’s not a real car, it’s a little econobox, a high volume, mass production gas sipper for senior citizens, school students, nannys, girls, sheep herders and short men with short @#$@ who don’t know how to dress or have taste in music. The little Honda with the coffee can exhaust is like a mosquito, it’s annoying and gets no respect.Ricers will never attain the status of American Musclecar’s and no jap engine deserves to be in any American Musclecar, what a waste.
January 5th, 2006 at 11:19 am
This dicussion is all over the place. The truth is “ricers” will always be trashing American cars with out the facts. Brain washed an thinking their cars are cool, an will beat, an is better than any American Muscel car….i.e Cameros, Mustangs, Corvettes, Cobras, GTOs, Chevelles, ‘Cudas, Novas, Fairlanes, the new Ford GT, Chargers….etc..etc… They watch too many movies an see to many ricer concepts/ drag cars funded by the manufacture and sponsers. Who ever races a front wheel or a gas saver is just a moron. They think, ricers, that their car can do the same thing. Horse power to horse power NO MODDING ….American Engines are the best an put out more Horse power than any ricer engine. NO EXCUSES. You get the best American production engine an the best ricer production engine stock for stock, NO MODS….Americans will have more! Most American engines are still built in AMERICA!! an you can still get a stock 302, 351 push rod from Ford. The American Muscel Cars will be around For Ever and those throw away gas saver ricer cars will never be as popular or get respect in America. The people who buy American are MUCH MORE RESPECTED!!! and know the Truth about their cars weather it be bad or good. Support America buy American. That Mustang should be returned to its former glory even if there was to be a Chevy engine in it. Its better than that P.O.S. ricer crap mod. An its not hard to take something that had all the testing done on it an start to produce something like it. It was stated before that the ricer toys caught up fast with the American Horse power. Well ricer boy most or all the hard work an testing was already done…buy AMERICANS!!! Take that engine out an put it in a miata or use it as a boat anchor then it would good.
January 5th, 2006 at 1:30 pm
Someone said this in a past post: “Just to update the description of this motor, It is an RB26DETT meaning Race Built 2.6l Dohc Electric fuel injected Twin Turbo.”
That means this motor wasn’t built with the same parts another 2.6l motor for Nissan was built, right? This one was actually built for a purpose of racing. Wouldn’t that be the same as a “race built” big block you see in funny cars and NHRA race cars? I mean, those motors are ‘race built’ using “stock” race purpose parts, right? A good example is the Saleen S7; it has 750 bhp @ 6300 rpm STOCK!!! So with some modifications, it too could have over 1,000 hp.
And as far as some Ford engines being built in Mexico, I’d rather have a Mexican block for racing purposes. They are made with much stronger materials and can withstand more punishment. Ask any true racer about that. Most drag racers who use stock 302 blocks look for the Mexican built ones because of their strength.
January 5th, 2006 at 2:07 pm
You all crack me up. It’s simply a matter of preference. I’ll be the first to say it’s a stupid swap but hey, that’s Hollywood. Remember Hollywood is the home of the weirdest people in the world. Kids that go out and put fart cannons on their Hondas are rice. In fact, all front wheel drive Hondas are rice in my opinion. Why? Because mommy and daddy buy junior a Honda and all junior can afford to do to it is stupid cheap mods.
I have owned many Mustangs and Corvettes and I would never put a Japanese engine in any of them. I now own one Skyline GTR R32, two Skyline GTR R33s, and one Silvia S15 Spec R and I would never put a domestic engine in any of them. It all boils down to what the owner wants to do with his or her car.
Now a few corrections from the previous posts. First, a RB26DETT engine can make more than approximately 600 WHP on stock internals but it isn’t going to last long. The factory HP rating for the engine was 280. Guys that are making big power are stroking their engines, changing pistons, cams, engine management, rods, bearings, injectors, fuel rails and pumps, oiling improvements, etc, etc. And those mods are expensive. Somebody compared a 1972 Celica to a 1972 Corvette. That’s a stupid comparison. The 1972 Celica was competing with the Pinto and Vega and I guarantee you the Celica was head and shoulders better than either of those Detroit disasters.
The car in the 3Fast3Furious is marketed as a 1967 Mustang where, in fact, it’s a 1968. They were beautiful cars but not impressive without enormous modifications.
But in conclusion, rice is cheap Honda stuff and not all imports in general. If you haven’t seen a GTR in action, you might want to investigate before calling a car of that caliber rice. Calling it rice is like standing in public calling yourself stupid.
January 5th, 2006 at 2:17 pm
Boris posted a link to the Skyline that has more that 1,000 hp. That car was built strickly for 1/4 mile racing. So that’s not a factory production car like the rest of the Skylines. And I’m pretty sure those internal parts they list at the end of the video aren’t the stock parts found on the RB26DETT. So if that’s the way we’re playing, then John Force’s Castrol Ford was built strickly for 1/4 mile racing too, and it produces 7,000 HP from it’s “stock” internals it was originally built with, and runs 4 sec. Does that mean that all production Mustangs are built with the same engines as Force’s? Obviously not.
Both cars are cool and both engines are cool too. Import or domestic, it’s a choice we all make for ourselves. The arguments here are two different ones: 1) is the mixing of two opposites tasteful or ‘respectful’ to the other? 2) which engine is better, stronger, dependable, ect.? just about everyone here is mixing both arguments together and that’s not helping in either argument. You got to keep them seperate.
January 6th, 2006 at 8:51 am
I have one thing to request that will end a arguments here. Go rent Detriot vs. Import from pay per view that they did a few years back.The ONLY import that won during the entire weekend was because the domestic that it went up against broke on the line. I suggest a genocide of all things “Rice rocketed”. They just dont measure up. I dont even race against them any longer because there is no challenge.
January 6th, 2006 at 1:23 pm
Steve, any contest can be stacked and straight line racing is the least meaningful of any type of racing. But of course, that’s all Detroit can attempt to build. (Something that last only a few seconds). I hope you aren’t suggesting that something you saw on TV should be considered the end all of end alls. If so, I’m sure you are convinced the world is coming to an end as networks grab your attention through sensational journalism. I used to love my Vettes and 5.0 Mustangs but the build quality is so poor I can’t afford to own one anymore. I mean, why by a $50,000.00 plus Corvette and constantly have to rent a car while the Vette is in the shop. I refer to my hammer as my Chevrolet tool because nothing fits on them so the hammer becomes the universal tool. Chevrolet – the heartbreak of America. Steve, I don’t doubt you don’t race imports anymore. If your racing a domestic, you’re probably walking.
January 20th, 2006 at 3:56 pm
Geoff you said that ford doesn”t make pushrod engines. Go to ford racing parts and you will find multiple pushrod engines 351’s for example. The engines are brand new and yes they dont put them in their autos anymore but the name of the game today is crate motors. Chevy started it with the original 350 and there still the best with the zz572 and the ls7. Also overhead cams are sufficient for rb’s but big bore engines need pushrods they just make more horses and especially torque. Take the ford lightnings 5.4 2 cam blowed, just 380 horses. But chevys pushrod ls2 at 6 litres and no blower makes 400 horses. Pushrods are just better. If it aint broke dont fix it!
January 20th, 2006 at 10:17 pm
You are forgetting one thing. American v8’s were produced with two things in mind. 1>cost factor 2>mass production
I doubt the rb26dett is powering 1/1000th of the cars a sbf or a sbc is powering. The 26 is an amazing engine, but it was produced with only one thing in mind. RACING. There are alot of ford 351 cleveland motors producing upwards of 800-900 horsepower NATURALLY ASPIRATED. Anerican’s are new to turbos, well, as far as the tuning world goes. Granted, there have been many guys in the mid to late 80’s that have dabbled in turbocharging, but it was not massively accepted to the end user/tuner world untill late 90’s. Now that the big boom has hit the market, and we get some tuning tech and design tech under our belts, you’ll see 2000whp cars that are driven on teh street.
Yes, you guys hear stories about the rb26dett producing 1xxx horsepower on the dyno, what it does not show is that teh car has to be pushed off the dyno. Those motors last 2-3 runs….end of story. The street loads your car differently than a dyno, sorry to say.
And for the ignorant ass who made the comment about american cars not handling, EVER HEAR OF THE GT-40….yes, the car who handed Ferrari it’s ass. How about this little company called Saleen???….Go search Maximum Motorsports’ website, see how they took a stock foxbody stang, with a stock engine, threw their suspension package on it, and ran the second fastest time EVER recorded through the slalom.
I hold no prefferance when it comes to cars. I have busted my knuckles on everything from Jaguars, to Audis, to Mercedes, to Fiats, hell you name it, i probably fixed it. I hold no loyalty to any brand. I currently own an Audi 90, 91 Stang Gt, 90 Probe GT,, A saab 900.
Might get flamed for the saab, but my first one made 330whp on an N/A 2.5 litre stroker motor.
STILL NOT DONE.
THE OTHER IGNORANT ASS who made the comment about Carburation being outdated technology. HAHAHHAHAH……it would cost me 1/2 as much to build a complete 1000hp carburated turbo’ed motor, as it would cost you for Injectors, manifold, stand-alone, throttle body, sensors, all the b/s taht goes into a f/i engine. Guess what?? When properly tuned, gas mileage won’t differ a great deal between the two engines.
January 22nd, 2006 at 3:12 pm
Check out the Hotrod Magazine Pump Gas Drags, notice something? All the fastest true street cars ( read: pump gas) are big american V8’s. Yes, you can make big power numbers on small boosted cars, but you’d better have race gas on hand, and enjoy terrible street manners. I have owned turbo cars in the past, and while they can be made to perform quite well, none can compare to the sound and feel of a healthy small block at WOT. That and where i’m from there are lots of big money rice cars out there, of which none cane really compete with the “dinosaur” V8 hotrods.
January 22nd, 2006 at 4:49 pm
i love the fact that all you old ass domestic loving grandpas think that the muscle cars have soul, and will be around forever…. i hate to break it to you, but once your generation finally dies off, your cars will too. When our generation becomes old and delusional (like you are now) then we will probably swear on the imports of our 20’s. Its just a shame that all of you are so closed minded and ignorant to the import scene now.
The import scene isnt just the annoying honda civics and integras driving around with fart can exhausts thinking they are fast. the import scene also includes the 6 second japanese cars (350z, supra, 300zx, etc)
I love it when you ride the #$%# of a bunch of outdated motors like they will always be the best… its all about technology now, its about being able to engineer great motors with high power, light weight, and reliability…. not just throwing more displacement and weight at the motor.
you guys are #$@# jokers.
January 23rd, 2006 at 12:40 pm
Man, I have gone through just about every emotion possible reading this whole thing. I love Muscle Cars and such, but this isn’t bad. I wouldn’t have done it, but then I would never want a 1st gen Mustang anyway (or any Mustang other than a fox, for that matter… and that only as a racecar).
For people to say that Japanese cars are slow, cookie cutter, econoboxes driven by 16 year old kids with baggy pants and sideways hats is just as ignorant as saying all US cars can only go in a straight line and are operated by tatooed mullet wearing rednecks. Yes, the stereotypes have to come from somewhere, and feel free to hate these people… I do. BUT there are plenty of good handling nice American cars. There is the Corvette Z06… ummmmm…. well there is the Corvette Z06
. And as far as old school jap cars… they have PLENTY of soul. Look at a Toyota 2000GT and tell me you’d rather have a ‘72 vette… really. Now you will say that jsut because of your mindset.
Now for the other side… you import people, look at an old Z and compare it with a ‘70 Chevelle 454SS LS6… again, you’d SAY you’d take the Z, just because you are stubborn, but we all know that that 2000GT and the Chevelle is worth a TON more than what I compared it to. There are gems from both sides.
Had I gotten into this a year or so ago, I would have been staunchly on the American side, however I have recently been converted, and had to deal with my own car prejudices.
I recently got into a 2005 GTO, the object of much redicule here in the states by GTO fanatics and ‘tards that think its a Grand Prix/Grand Am/Cavalier/Cobalt. I don’t even associate it with the GTO’s of old anymore… it’s heritage is firmly rooted in Australia. The old Monaros were the same formula… small 2 door aussie cars with american small blocks. It didn’t get much better. Now I have a car that people all over the world GLADLY pay twice what I did for, but still people hate it here, simply because pontiac tried something new. Nowadays people want “retro” bullshite, because its classic, “timeless.” Well there was a time when the Mustang was NEW and revolutionary. The Corvette was something new and untried in America… and where did the idea come from? THEY COPIED THE IMPORT FAD!!! only this fad was from Ye Olde England. Young guys, just coming back from the war wanted small, light, good handling cars (sound familiar?) so they bought British cars. To capitalize on this fad, we were given one of the greatest cars of all time.
***So cliff note time… Retro sucks, imports are ok, and MY CAR ISN’T A CAVALIER!!!***
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:00 pm
V8 > *
V8’s are the fastest motors in the world. Don’t even try and argue.
January 23rd, 2006 at 7:18 pm
[quote]V8 > *
V8’s are the fastest motors in the world. Don’t even try and argue.
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I love the use of a wildcard, the Internet version of good old fashion shit talking. Brings of fond memories of compilers back in the old college days.
January 24th, 2006 at 12:16 am
Quote (Originally posted by Geoff Chandler):
[i]I love the use of a wildcard, the Internet version of good old fashion shit talking. Brings of fond memories of compilers back in the old college days.[/i]
Yeah, thats been around a while. Like SSTony > * (if you were around in the 80’s you should know SSTony… we’ve speculated that in the 80’s SSTony did in fact reach, and surpass rock star status). And explain to SlowLX that “!=” means “is not equal.” He didn’t believe me.
Oh and in the spirit of “on topic”, Australian cars > all of y’all’s slow turds.
January 25th, 2006 at 1:10 pm
Man, It always amazes me to see supposed automotive enthusiasts in a contest to see who can be more closed minded, insulting, and just plain asshats when it comes to what cars “should” and “shouldn’t” be.
This car is a Mustang. One of a couple hundred thousand produced that year, many of which had 6 cyl engines in them, stock. And even with the rare, special, collectable versions, none are religious icons that can be defiled. They are bits of machinery made by man. Any “soul” they have comes from the people who built them, and I daresay a handbuilt custom has more “soul” than ANY mass produced assembly line appliance.
Anyone who complains that the car wasn’t designed to have that engine in there should also complain about ANY change: aftermarket cams, aftermarket suspension bits, aftermarket wheels an tires, aftermarket paint. But then again, if the factory did it right the first time, they’d never improve it the following year… ALL mass produced cars are compromises.
I’ve put american engines in Japanese cars, and am putting a Japanese engine in a classic American car (a Lexus 4 liter DOHC aluminum V8, in fact). It’s a hobby, it’s fun, and that’s what it’s supposed to be about. You want something different, you pay to build it yourself. Complaining about what other peple do to mechanical devices they own, because you wouldn’t have done it that way, is childish at best, and the epitome closed minded ignorance and hateful intolerance.
I’ve been playing with American, Japanese and European cars for almost 3 decades (ever since I was 14), and they all can be fun parts of the hobby. ALL have rich, varied histories, especially when it comes to motorsports.
So, why is it that being closed minded haters is such a valuable goal for people? Is it that people aren’t allowed to be racist bigots anymore so they transfer all that ignorant hate over to cars?
Why do people have to hate on things that aren’t their favorites in order to justify HAVING those favorites? Why is that expression of opinion so important? In all my years on automotive forums I run across all sorts of variations on this behavior. And invariably the people that know the most about cars, tend to exhibit this behavior the least. And invariably, the people that argue loudest that it’s their right to act this way, know the absolute least.
I don’t know. I’ve just never found it that hard to be able to enjoy the rush of a torquey big block pushing you off the line in a roar of thunder, and turn around and enjoy the rip of a small engine winding up and flinging you forward. I have no problem driving classic American muscle and modern Japanese sport coupes. I can drive a slow lowrider as easily as a full race Sports GT. A showcar built for artistic expression is as valid as a race car built for pure speed. I enjoy the feel of a good manual shifter, and the speed and power use of a good automatic. FWD, AWD, RWD doesn’t matter, as long as the car is doing the job that’s asked of it. A couple tenths of a second difference in accelleration figures isn’t enough to crown one car the ultimate and it’s competitor an utter pile of crap. And a few seconds difference in accelleration isn’t enough to make me not want to drive a car on the street. And who else owns a car isn’t enough of an excuse to drive or not drive an example of that car. Same goes for where it’s from, or where PARTS of it are from.
But so many people I talk to lately, especially young or inexperienced people (i.e. they’ve only driven one kind of car their whole life), seem completely and utterly incapable of seeing that all of them are mass produced mechanical devices, and that while their favorite might be perfect for them, other choices are not POS simply because they are not their first choice. Whether it’s import drivers hating “low tech domestics,” Domestic drivers hating “rice rockets” or Euro drivers thinking anything else is a low class POS, it’s all the end result of the same thing.
So why is it so prevalent? Tribal behavior?
This is the point I’ve made on may sites. “My family is better than their family. My school is better than their school. My team is better than their team. My community is better than their community. My state or nation is better, etc.” Even people who don’t want to be affiliated with a club or community or society are trying to fit in with others who are also trying not to fit in with that club, community or society.
Once a favorite is picked, championing that favorite seems to mean that you HAVE to loudly proclaim how much everything else sucks.
The irony is that my favorite is striving for knowledge, and the goal of NOT striving for knowledge sucks.
*I* have favorite cars. But I can appreciate all kinds of cars, from imports to domestics, from new to old, from fast to slow. Stock and custom (and even art cars), even if the customizing isn’t something I would do myself.
And this Mustang, thogh difernt than how I’d have built it, is an excellent performance car, faster than a stock example, and the only thing that some have to complain about is that the particular method of exploding dead dinosaurs is a mass of metal that traces it’s linage back to a country of origin different than the car originally came from. Bitching about that as though it’s a religious icon that has been defiled is just LAME.
January 26th, 2006 at 9:39 am
ChrisV I agree with you. In fact the quest for knowledge is why I created the Hot Rod Homepage in the first place.
February 1st, 2006 at 9:49 am
let me just say this you 4 cylinder can talk about all this hp all you want but, unless you sit in v8 with over 700ft lbs of torque you don’t know anything. The g forces will literally snap your neck backwards
February 3rd, 2006 at 3:14 pm
If this “RB” motor was soo great and made all that power why dont you see more people swapping it into their little japanese compacts that originally had a 4 banger?? why? because it probably isnt practical..”3 grand used”..yea ok, you dont know what your getting..and “6 grand new”, what does that consist of? a short block? plus add all of the accessories i.e. turbos., that’ll add up quick..ya gotta have some kind of power adder for that motor..to make it anything spectacular..thanks to the strong aftermarket, you can take any 302 and do basically the same shit to it as your inline 6 and you’ll come out on top everytime with the ford and still have money to burn.
February 7th, 2006 at 6:41 am
Just in case anyone wanted to know here is a LS1 Stock bottom end with over 700RWHP http://www.gmhightechperformance.com/features/0602htp_sp/
I think someone also said that ford no longer makes a pushrod V8. I think they forgot about the F150 Lighting it is a 5.4 liter Triton V8 Overhead Valve. I am not biased because I own a lighting but Jonny lighting runs 9’s in his and he has about 4K in his motor far less then the guy who has a nissian with 6K in the engine http://www.johnnylightningperf.com/about.php
So lets look at this realisticly it is all about the most bang for your buck. Let start with a 69 Mustang no engine,
The cheapest skyline front clip I could find is $4,500 plus shiping:
http://www.venus-auto.com/monthly/special.htm
Now brand new ford 351 crate motor with racing internals is only $2,800:
http://www.fordracingparts.com/crateengine/smallblock.asp
Now I still have another $1,700 to spend before I even catch up to the money that I spent on that used Nissian motor so lets throw a blower kist in there:
http://www.superchargersonline.com/product_detail.asp?PartNumber=PAX1001846-P
So now we are up $4,500 for both cars, on stock 280HP nissian motor, and a blown 351 with close to 400hp so clearly for this car the more bank for your buck is a V8. and not the nissian motor. and another thing to consider is what the car is going to be used for. I mean for Drag Racing you need Torque and the V8 is great at making torque the only motor better then a v8 for making torque is a diesel. But thne you loose the best bang for your buck. Now a Skyline motor is a better motor for drifting because you need the RPM’s to keep the car sideways. but hell I have seen V8 rev to 11 grand also sure they were in monster but has anyone ever seen a straight 6 put out over 3000hp Top fuel cars do it all the time. I mean you have draw the line somewhere just because you can do something doesnt mean you do it .
What is next a Rotary in a 68 camaro?
February 7th, 2006 at 7:38 pm
No, I wouldn’t put a rotary in a ‘68 camaro, because they’re too unreliable at 500 horsepower and up, plus requiring 93 octane or race gas at those power levels. An LS1 or LS2 or LS6, moderately cammed with new heads, maybe new pistons/rods to change the comp ratio, and maybe even a wussy shot of nitrous, could easily push 500 horsepower on pump gas, probably 91 octane, and wouldn’t be as touchy as a rotary on the street. Plus rotary’s get atrocious mileage. Car and Driver got like 17 commuting. I mean come on, the RX-8 weighs 3050#. But that’s besides the point, and I’m tired of lsx’s in first gen camaros anyway.
The issue here is that this car is too different from the norm, and people don’t like change. “Oooh, put a hot 302 in it.” “Oooh, put a 351 in it.” “Oooh, put a 390 in it. “Oooh, put a torque monster 460 in it.” “Oooh, put an ‘03 Cobra Kenne Bell motor in it, and that’ll be Way Different.” Big deal, a new mustang motor in an old mustang. People put 3rd gen TPI motors in 67-69 (1st gen) Camaros too. Nobody really cared beyond, “Oh, that’s cool”. Something this different is pretty sweet, because it reminds us all that occasionally someone has the freshness of mind to go way out there, and change the rules. Instead of another small-block or big-block, this is a car that has much different performance characteristics, a much different sound, and a much different feel. It would be very interesting to drive, and is probably a lot of fun.
Also, that guy whining about the soul of japanese cars is full of it. They have comic books about their cars and the drifting kings. Those people really care about the way a car works, the way it handles, the way it acts, and I think a lot of them are more car enthusiasts than the guys in the states who put glasspacks on their wannabe muscle cars and go to cruise nights to pick up girls.
The idea I talk about above, this newness, doesn’t really matter in this case because we’re all bitching about how corporate America created this lame hybrid of domestic looks and import muscle to lure people to go see this movie, and they’ll all ooh and ahh when they see RB26 under the hood. The movie company did this because it’s different and they already had that blown Charger in the first movie, exhausting the amount of “American Muscle” the 17 year olds will pay to see.
BUT, if someone did this privately, I’d frigging cheer, because it’s radically different, and if they went to these lengths, it’d probably be radically fast, which sure beats the hell out of most 302 and 289 fastbacks running around. Hell, and 390s. A private party could also dump the exhaust at the axle, avoiding any fart can exhaust, and mufflers have been designed that offer high flow for good power and power deliverability but would be a lot quieter than most ricey compacts.
Lastly, avoid stereotyping the people who present their opinions here, because it can’t lead to anything good, even if your guess is dead on. To do so really only invalidates your opinion because you’re targeting someone, instead of their opinion. Political candidates do this, if you haven’t noticed, and nobody likes them.
BTW, I’m 17, my favorite movie is Bullitt, starring both Steve Mcqueen, and a 1968 Mustang, which is definitely the best looking mustang I’ve ever seen, I want an LT1 Camaro right now, and I dream of a 2002 Camaro RS with a turbo BBC, for 1000 lb-ft on pump gas.
And I wasn’t even gonna comment on this discussion.
February 9th, 2006 at 11:00 am
My name is Jordan I run a shop called Drag International (.com)
We imported 2 of the cars used in the F&F movie,
The supra:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b378/draglarry/supra/
And this Type-R RSX:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b378/draglarry/RSX/
The RSX I sold on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4603975941&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESO%3AIT&rd=1
anyways, the point is, Im A legit importer, so first lets clear up some prices of these motorsets. I see a lot of bogus prices, here are my factual prices if you walked up and purchased one of these from me today:
I sell RB25DET Skyline motorsets complete (everything for install) for $2500
I sell RB26DETT Skyline GT-R motorsets for $4000
SR20DET motorsets range from $2000-$5000 depends on the year and model.
That said, Here are some authentic power potentials of these motorsets:
RB25DET Skyline motors have been known reliable on stock internals up to 500~ BHP
RB26DETT Skyline GT-R motors (previous to 1998) are known for reliable 600-800~ Daily driven horsepower
SR20DET (any model) being a mere 2.0L and aluminum block are only feasibly reliable to approx 450BHP daily, with 400BHP being more realistic and safer.
This is all on stock internals, cams, etc.. just a bigger turbo and fuel management.
Now lets get something else straight. Power to weight ratio; the typical 240SX you would install a SR20DET or RB25DET into weighs a mere 2600Lbs WITH THE MOTOR IN IT. That means your typical 3500Lb camaro would need an extra 80-100Horsepower just to keep up. thats why my 260RWHP 240sx can take your 350RWHP camaro/vette or whatever.
Bump a 240sx up to 400WHP keeping it reliable and your camaro would need 580RWHP just to keep up. thats power to weight raito. Weight affects everything: Handling, acceleration, braking, you name it. Thats why these “ricer” cars are so damn fast and amazing around corners.
The F&F movie makes a mockery of these cars, I almost had to be tied down to be forced to watch it 100% through. Dont judge them based on a silly movie. and I hate Honda, not because they are “rice” but just because they are very… mundane. Ordinary. As someone else said, there is no “style”. I agree 100% with that. But they can still be very fast. We have an all motor Honda here with a 2002 Acura Type-R K20 (2.0L motor) that makes 240WHP Naturall aspirated, in a 1800Lb civic hatch it runs low 12’s, and on a 115shot it runs low 11’s. that is power to weight ratio again, and it DEMANDS respect. You can call it as many names as you want, but you still have to respect it when it passes you like you stand still.
I started with American muscle. My first car was a 1969 Z-28 Camaro, with the 302DZ motor. I’ve owned maybe 5-10 American cars. A couple have been twin turbo small blocks. One was a big block, but it was N/A. I love the sound, the smell, the feel. But to be honest, without being biased, my Japanese car just handles better, moves quicker, gets much better fuel economy, and is far more fun to drive. Its quieter, cleaner, and it demands respect. call it whatever you want. And dont tell me my cars dont have “style” or “good looks” its all about taste.
Look at some of my cars, I dont care what you think, but maybe some of you will learn something, and even if you hate it, knowledge- even the smallest bit of extra info, is never a bad thing to have.
http://photobucket.com/albums/b378/draglarry/blue_240sx/
http://photobucket.com/albums/b378/draglarry/example_cars/
http://photobucket.com/albums/b378/draglarry/silvia/
http://photobucket.com/albums/b378/draglarry/skyline/
http://photobucket.com/albums/b378/draglarry/supra/
They are all owned by me, and some are for sale:
geocities.com/kingtaling
And dont get me started on its “pull” Agreed the 383 was N/A the 2.6 is not
February 10th, 2006 at 7:27 am
“And for the ignorant ass who made the comment about american cars not handling, EVER HEAR OF THE GT-40….”
…which was made by Ford Advanced Vehicles and Lola in Slough, England: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GT40
I do love the GT40 and the Dodge Charger is one of my favorite cars of all time, I just think that as good as a tuned V8 sounds, they are beaten by Japanese and European engines for reliability, specific output per litre, power to weight of the engine and overall efficiency.
February 12th, 2006 at 10:45 pm
In the end, it all comes down to preference/choice/opinion.
Again, not all Import cars are “rice”
There are some people that like to mod their import cars just as tastefully as the domestic guys do.
Also, what do you domestic guys think of TV show’s like TLCs RIDES?
They do GREAT/amazing work, but then they go and slap some 20″ rims on a 68 mustang?? Now that, in my opinion, is domestic rice.
I prefer FUNCTION over FASHION.
But in the end, EVERYONE likes to GO FAST and LOOK GOOD while doing it!
February 13th, 2006 at 3:16 am
Stuff the V8’s, Stuff the 6′bangers, Stuff pistons in general!!
Rotarys are taking over!!!
February 17th, 2006 at 8:02 pm
This is RIDICTULOUS this mustang is supposed to AMERICAN MUSCLE what were u guys thinking!!!!!!!!!
March 11th, 2006 at 11:34 am
hey can we all stop fighting, yes its a mustang, yes it has a nissan engine in it, who cares. i own three stangs, and if i had the money i be doing weird stuff to two of them. just hand it to the people who converted the car over. all i ask will someone put a ford cammer in a r-34. see who complains then
March 14th, 2006 at 8:19 pm
Guess what rolled up next to me at the lights the other day. A 1969 Stingray. Now me sitting there in my STOCK 1.6L Honda with mismatched panels and stock 14″ wheels decided to see how fast it really was. Of course i sat there like a ‘ricer’ reving my Honda, and Mr v8 man just laughed and floored it when the lights turned green. It was a massacre. His torque got him in front for about 3 seconds but as soon as i hit 5000 revs I was gone. Imagine how he felt. This car that cost me $1200 just walked all over him. Don’t try and tell me he wasn’t going for it because all i could hear behind me was v8.
(Disclaimer: Panels are mismatched due to a crash by previous owner, is getting a rollcage fitted and painted gloss black in 2 weeks, was running stock wheels as 17″ racing alloys are being straightened at the moment)
Don’t get me wrong, i still love the old muscle cars, they are just are slow, guzzle gas and can’t turn a corner.
March 17th, 2006 at 4:09 pm
have any of you ricers ever went up against an svo mustang, yeah you might have and gauranteed you got worked, and for the comment about stock internals, the svo was capable of 500whp with out any problems and there is also guys around that have over 1000whp and run well under the 10 second mark, so dont try to push your japanese made engines are better before you do your homework.
March 21st, 2006 at 11:26 am
And the contest for closed minded commentary goes on, with ridiculous extremes from both sides… “”OMG it’s not a v8 therefore it sucks,” or “OMG it’s American so it sucks.”
It’s just a car. A car for a movie. And the powerplant is a known performer. Why does it matter so much where it came from?
March 24th, 2006 at 11:25 am
So much idiocy here.
Let me just say that I have a MASSIVE hardon for Skylines — about as much as possible without having driven or owned one. If I sit down, forget all real cars, and try to come up with my ideal all-round car, I’d come up with something that’s closer to a Skyline GT-R than it is to anything else. I have a HUGE bias in favor of that car in a lot of ways. And I’ll STILL school you fools who think the RB has ANY PLACE in a Mustang.
As beautiful as the RB series engines are, they are very clearly NOT the best engines out there. They are LONG and HEAVY engines that NEED revs to make power. They may be able to handle 600hp without upgraded internals, but a worked muscle V8 — a 427, for example — could EASILY exceed that WITHOUT TURBOS. And that’s just power: the 427 will make more torque at 2000rpm than the RB EVER will. You can yammer on about gearing all you want, because the shortest, closest set of gears in the world won’t save you from a torque curve wider and flatter than the breadbasket states. Toss a snail or a blower on the 427 and it’s all over.
What’s more, a big-displacement engine can have an aluminum block (the RB’s block is iron, and incredibly heavy). That means it’s lighter, and if all you care about is speed, that means it’s better.
NOT EVEN SKYLINES ARE USING RB ENGINES ANY MORE. Do a Google search for the latest iteration of the Xanavi Hiroto R34 Skyline GT-R racer from the early 2000s. Find the specs on it. What’s the engine? A VQ30DETT — an aluminum block V6 that weighs half as much, takes half the space, and makes more power than the RB26DETT it replaced. As a result, the car goes faster, brakes better, corners harder, and is easier to drive.
So, why in the hell would you use an RB if you have room in the engine bay for a big V8 that could be lighter, smaller, simpler, more powerful, more durable, and WAY torquier? Simple answer: You wouldn’t. Need more evidence? How about the new Corvette ZO6? No iron-block inline turbo powerplant there. It’s powered by a low, compact, wide-angle, all-aluminum, big-displacement V8, and it will RIP TO SHREDS almost anything that comes its way — including some exotics costing THREE TIMES AS MUCH.
Now, allow me to reiterate… Given the choice between a ZO6 and ANY Skyline GT-R, I’d take the Skyline and laugh at you for even suggesting the alternative. But at least I know enough to know that there are FAR better engines than the RB, and that anyone who doesn’t see that needs to go back to their XBox and keep playing Need for Speed.
March 27th, 2006 at 1:13 pm
that isn’t right!!! hell if your going to do that to a mustang then why don’t you just drive it off a cliif and be done with…it’s a mustang and they should have v8s not a damn v6!!!! what the hell were these people thinkin!!!!!!!! GAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!
March 29th, 2006 at 8:44 am
My name is Tony, I race Formula A. First off I’d like to say this is kinda embarrassing. I wouldnt wanna drive a front wheel drive mustang, (or any front wheel drive car) no matter how much power it has. Some dumbass up there said;
” i’d like to see your v8 compete on the track..
im sure the rb will make much more whp stock with just a boost controller, if thats what you’re looking for.”
Well….. From a physical standpoint, front wheel drive drive cars are not anywhere near as effective on the racetrack as a rear wheel drive. When a car takes off (it doesnt matter if its gunning it from a dead stop or accelerating out of a turn), weight is transferred backwards, and thus in a rear wheel drive car, weight is put down on the rear tires preventing wheelspin. On the other hand, A front wheel drive car would cause incredible wheelspin but no grip (which is why a cheap civic can burn out with like 70 HP). I would bet that a rwd mustand with half as much horsepower, but same weight, as this fwd mustang would beat it on the race circuit.
But thats just coming from a formula car driver.
March 30th, 2006 at 9:37 pm
1.6 VTEC Says: He beat a 69 Stingray.
I relly hope your not talking about the corvette stingray. The 400hp/450tq stingray. So when you hit 5k rpm your 160 hp was pulling on his 400hp. You could beat a 69 6 cylinder mustang. If the thing was anywhere close to running condition hed walk all over you. Try comparing your car to on that was not made 37 years ago.
March 30th, 2006 at 9:50 pm
Okay guys I use to be a little hard headed and still am a big Muscle car fan but I have to give props where they are do the Import cars from Nissian are fantastic espically around corners. Being a muscle car fan and still would like to see american cars whoop imports no offense to other countries we all should be proud of were we come from. What I believed happen was Americans like usal got complacent lazy and cheap we mass produce worse crap than japan when you come to think about it. I am a big Chevy fan I love old chevy’s the sound of the car reving is like the car is actually talking. Fart pipes are like saying hey look at me i am a souped up lawn mower. What America needs to do is stop arguing and start kicking ass I mean look at GM who fault is that accept the companies…. I am glad the muscle car / hotrods interest is coming back with retro stuff but instead of retro crap that looks plastic and fake why dont we try to re-release 68 mustangs again combine low and high tech. But than again you can always make a kit car or clone but man I dont have time for that and It just wont feel the same.
I hope America gets its pride and craftmenship back if you seen F&F why do you think our youth is so screwed up watch the live version of Inital D and tell me japanese dont take pride in there older cars or racing. To be honest with you we can only blame our lazyness, greed, and lack of creativity for the shit we mass produce to day. (to clarify when was the last time you seen a mass produced american car make you say in your heart and soul this car feels like apart of me it has its own personality, not talking purly about engines just in general)
Enough of my rambeling Long Live the Idea of the Muscle car all our children should at least been taken to a classic car show one time in thier life we are losing that heritage.
April 5th, 2006 at 9:17 am
You guys are all losers. Am I the only real racer here? I mean yeah, I love to hear a 5.0 mustang whine off the line, and I think American cars really are better than japs, but dont start talking about racing untill you’ve had some experience yourself. And i dont mean adding an exhaust tip and some primer to your civic, or supercharging your mustang. Any asswad can do that. It takes a real racer to perform on the spec racing circuit, where engines are sealed, ening no modifications. Tires, fuel, and chassis setup are extremely limited, and even spark plugs and air filters are strictly specified. Street racing is for losers who cant make it on the track, or then the only track they can make it on is the straight one.
I dont know what all you FWD owners mean by “American cars dont handle”. When it comes to the racetrack, RWD is the only option. Physically, when a car accelerates forward, weight is transferred towards the back of the car, helping rear wheel grip. Thats why its easier to burn out in a FWD car, because weight is actually removed from the front tires. Thats exactly why FWD cars dont work on a race circuit, because when accelerating out of a turn, its almost impossible to prevent wheelspin on a FWD car, and thus it creates an incredible amount of understeer, or “push”, where the car doesnt behave to steering, and pushes forward. However, a rear wheel drive car can be controlled during this occurance, even if it developes into a bit of oversteer (or that bullshit jap term “drift”).
SPEC racing is for men, Drag racing is for men with money who cant compete on equal grounds, and street racing is for the pussies who are too scared to do either.
Tony G.
Formula A
April 7th, 2006 at 10:42 am
Nothing a $3000 382 LS1 couldn’t waste.
April 10th, 2006 at 4:35 am
I dont have a problem with it at all – I’d love to own all sorts of cars, both in their “original” condition, and a few hybrids – I’m in the process of sticking a “ricer” honda engine into an old austin mini – some people say its plain stupid, and a few of us just see it as a project – making an old car more reliable for daily use !
I’d quite happily drive an RB26 engined mustang, a V8 powered lada or anything else anyone can build – the more people stray from convention the better if you ask me !
Rich
April 11th, 2006 at 11:01 am
2006 Nissan 350z
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Revised appearance and features mark Nissan’s two-seat sports cars for 2006. The 2006 Nissan 350z comes as a hatchback coupe and a convertible. Coupe models are base, Enthusiast, Touring, Track, and new Grand Touring. Convertibles come in Enth…
April 11th, 2006 at 11:15 am
2006 Nissan Maxima
The Maxima is Nissan’s midsize sport sedan which received both new styling and an increase in performance with the introduction of the sixth-generation Maxima for 2004. The Maxima originally joined the Nissan lineup for the 1981 model year as a rear…
April 11th, 2006 at 11:52 am
Camaro Concept Car
The 2008 Chevrolet Camaro Concept Car is all the rave in the automotive world these days. With it’s classic, new edge retro kind of look it will likely build on the same fundamentals that made the 2005 Ford Mustang so popular. The question i…
April 11th, 2006 at 11:57 am
2006 Chevrolet Cobalt
Chevy touts Cobalt as a “premium subcompact” that’s superior in every way to the old Cavalier, hence the new name. Cobalt shares GM’s Delta platform with the Saturn Ion. Next summer, Chevy is due to start building a Delta-based…
April 11th, 2006 at 12:06 pm
2006 Z06 Chevrolet Corvette
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The ultimate Corvette—the 2006 Corvette Z06—is posting numbers at the track and on the window sticker that will get attention. Chevrolet has announced that the fastest Corvette ever—the 505-horsepower Corvette Z06—will achieve 0-60 mph in 3….
April 11th, 2006 at 12:12 pm
Diesel Car Production in the US expected to increase.
Diesel cars are everywhere in Europe, but they’ve never gone mainstream in the United States.
After years of squabbling among automakers, oil companies and regulators, technology and the demand for better fuel economy have progressed enough to ma…
April 12th, 2006 at 12:45 pm
Is drag racing the only form of motorsports in the USA? It seems like every iron head that has posted here is against making turns, especially left and right hand turns. Prepare your cars how you wish then take them to Topeka, KS this fall for the SCCA Solo II Nationals. See how you car does in it’s class. Then have a car in that same class drag race you. I would put $100 that the car will still beat you.
April 14th, 2006 at 7:45 am
rotarys are not taking over take a look at the ls1 powered Rx7 if they are so great why is there a v8 in it
April 14th, 2006 at 7:52 am
quote [Stuff the V8’s, Stuff the 6′bangers, Stuff pistons in general!!
Rotarys are taking over!!!] ya thats why there is a v8 in a rx7
April 16th, 2006 at 4:59 pm
I kinda feel like the car is depreciated with that RB26 sitting in there. Don’t get me wrong, the R34 is one of my favorite cars, tied with a Shelby Cobra 427 for top spot. I can appreciate the thought and concept of this hybrid exercise, but it seems like it just wasnt meant to be; like pineapple or pickles on a pizza, would you really want to eat that(i understand that some people do, more power to you.)? Just My opinion.
Cammer in an R-34? I was wondering if someone else would up something like this. What other crazy hybrids can we think up of? 400 hp turbo rotory in a early 60s Ford Cortina? 550 hp supercharged Ford sb V8 in an old RWD Carolla/Celica. 800hp twin turbo V8 in an Infiniti G35 coupe? Whoops, Top Secret already did that one.
April 24th, 2006 at 9:55 am
Excuse me…. I just returned from the bathroom from puking after I saw that fart can on the back of that Mustang. The person that constructed that car should be taken out and shot. I don’t understand why on earth they installed a ricer engine in a car that represents American power. We all know they will have a V8 sound track overlayed to make the car sound like a V8 and trick photography will definately be over used in this movie to show speed, so why change things around on the Mustang. When this gets out to the Mustang/Ford community…they will loose every movie go’er that has a Ford. It would of sure been nice to see this car compete……..compete……nothing really competes on the big screen…it’s all computer generated….but still… it would of been nice to see this V8 powered/sounding car run with those Tokyo ricers. Kinda like the Charger in FF1….
For all you kiddies 15-20…. remember….REAL MEN DRIVE V8′S…4Cly are for Mickey…
April 25th, 2006 at 10:10 am
2006 Ford Mustang GT-H Hertz
Mustang Performance for Rent!
Forty years ago, Carroll Shelby and The Hertz Corporation came up with an ingenious plan to help get a batch of high-performance, special-edition Shelby Mustangs into the hands of rental customers who also happened to b…
April 25th, 2006 at 2:29 pm
it requires 2 turbos to get that horsepower take a trip to around 1966 and look at the ford SOHC 427 NO TURBOS OR SUPERS AND STOCK IT MADE NEARLY 700 HORSEPOWER!!!! Lets see some stock rice do that!(also thats more power than alot of ferrari V12’s!)Ricers sound like bees send em’ back to the hive.
April 26th, 2006 at 3:30 pm
that is probably the stupidest thing ive seen done to a classic american muscle car
it is a disgrace….y would you ever put a import engine in a classic car like that?
at only 250hp it wont be turning heads in amazment…they would be turning away with disgust
April 27th, 2006 at 11:44 am
I find it funny that people make it a point to mention how much the nissan engine costs, and how much cheaper it would be to put in a domestic V8. My reply = Who cares? This is a movie car, built by a studio with a virtually unlimited budget, and they couldn’t care less if an old 302 with a carb is gona be half the price. As long as they are not spending YOUR money, why do you care if it’s cost-effective?
For the person who says that properly tuned carbs can have the same mpg as fuel injection, maybe so, but what about all the other advantages of f.i.? I would much rather pay the extra grand on an engine buildup, and buy f.i., and get more power, better throttle response, lower emissions, automatic fine-tuning for every condition, and no starvation of the engine under high g-loads. Sounds like a bargain to me.
But then again, you could always just disregard everything I just said and reply with one of my favorites, “Omg dat ricer motor sux, jap sux, it makes like 2 torque, and it needs a 1000-lb hemi engine to be cool!!!”
April 28th, 2006 at 4:59 pm
Well that’s pretty disgusting. Those rims… that exhaust… on such a nice car. The cars in the old days had style. They had lines, they had trim, they had features. They weren’t efficient, but as someone else said, they had soul. Now everything is boxes. If you want efficiency, then go buy a scion xb or a honda element. I can’t even find a piece of cardboard to make something that boxy. The new cars have no style, its all conformity. Cheap, reliable cars, which IS abosolutely necesarry, especially with gas prices soaring to over $3 a gallon (in USA).
But on that mustang, the legendary 67 fastback, you don’t put a japanese engine in it… or rims, or that fart pipe. It’s no longer a muscle car, it has the fart sound of 6 cylinder. the things I hear in the city everyday where they have 2 rims, a donut, a hubcap, an unpainted ‘tuner’ front bumper, and an obnoxious exhaust that screams “I’m slooooooowwwwww” as it goes through the gears.
I drive a 98 honda civic, and the only thing I do for appearance is wash it.
There’s a reason that a hemi cuda can sell for $100,000, or a Shelby GT 500 can sell for close to 200,000. Those ‘piece of crap’ muscle cars are worth as much as any supercar out there, but if they perform so bad, then why?
I have read a lot of articles on the Shelby Mustangs produced back in the 60’s. They used to have to advertise LESS horsepower to keep insurance costs down. Now they advertise bhp instead of whp so it looks like more. Take a look at cars from the 30’s too. The whole design element of cars, which used to be more of a work of art, has turned into a jackson pollock trend.
And about what 1.6 VTEC said… I have a 1.8L stock vtec motor (i found out from changing the air filter) and unless the guy had a heart attack in that stingray, there’s no way you would have beat him.
May 7th, 2006 at 4:57 pm
I completely understand the love of muscle cars, especially the fantastic sound of a cammed V8 engine. In the garage at my house there is a fully restored 1972 Chevelle with a modded 350 that is probably my favorite car to cruise in. My passion for cars came from my father’s 68 mustang convertible with a 428 cobrajet. But right now, I drive a 2003 Nissan 350Z daily. I find that all of these cars are incredibly sexy, but each in its own unique way. Our Chevelle is a beautiful machine, but even with a modern suspension system and disc brakes, the car simpy doesnt handle well. The 350Z is an entirely different beast than the Chevelle. The Z was built with high speed stability and cornering in mind. Its built for a roadcourse. Its quick too, but its not a drag car. If you muscle car guys even know what a 350Z looks like, you would have to say its one of the best looking NEW vehicles out there. Why cant any of you guys at least try to understand the difference in mentality between Japanese design and American design?
May 7th, 2006 at 5:08 pm
BUT MY GOD the fartcan exhaust is the most RICER thing I have ever seen on a muscle car. I just hope it doesnt “thwap” in the movie, that would be awful. The factory Nissan RB26 had a great sound (though nothing like a V8).
You muscle car owners should also consider that the type of driving this mustang is used for works best when the car is balanced closer to a 50/50 weight bias and a lower center of gravity. The Nissan engine helps greatly to accomplish that task. Frankly, getting any classic mustang to drive safely and under control while drifting sideways at 70-100 mph would be a fantastic achievement.
May 19th, 2006 at 4:34 am
Thats all good and well, BUT… That is a very heavy car! And 250 rwhp?? come on guys please say it is VERY modifyed! My small block ford cleavland would SLAY that thing 1/8 mile! I am all bout speed but lets be economical, Get a BBC, BBF, or even a hemi, the BB v8’s are much cheaper to build and can stand crazy (1,000+ rwhp) horse power. This was clearly put in there as a publicity scheme for all the new kids on the “import scene.” Thats why mostly all prostock-top fuel dragsers use WHAT??? those old worthless american made V8’s!
May 22nd, 2006 at 3:02 pm
lets think what would happen if u put a 350 into an import…hummm itd blow up bc imports SUCK!!! put a 350 into that beautiful car n all the imports paint would be flying off. i think american cars should stick to american styles of raceing let those import fags have there drifting i like a good ole Drag race.
June 1st, 2006 at 4:21 pm
im a vintage mustang owner myself them by putting an skyline motor into a mustang is payback for all the crap weve (domestic ppl) been talking about their little go karts. man it would of been way better if they just left the V8 in the mustang. wow
June 3rd, 2006 at 8:41 pm
To Toni Gyllenberg. Are you just the most ignorant fool, or did you just say that all japanese cars are fwd(front wheel drive) to sound stupid? I own a 1978 corolla, it’s rear wheel drive(RWD), push rod, hemi, and carbed. You might want to look at what thing’s mean before you use them to bash someone. And just to inform you all wheel drive(AWD) cars also come out of japan, europe, and usa. You might hit the track more that everyone else here, but sound’s like you need to hit the garage floor a little more. I just want to say that i like this car, and eventually I will get the supra motor into a 53.5 vette just to tick off Toni.
June 4th, 2006 at 12:05 am
If someone gave me an RB-26 I would gladly put it in my 1990 GT, but I would do that same with that turbo engine or a LS1. I personally could care less what makes the wheels turn, so long as it makes power.
Now when it comes to my Malibus, only a Chevy will do, and not even an LS1, I just can’t get my head around anything that is not pounding out the old 1-8-4-3-6-5-7-2.
June 5th, 2006 at 9:28 am
i believe it was hotrod magazine that took a crate 502 (stock everything) and bolted on a blower and it made 1015hp and 1100tq at 11lbs. like someone said initally, the car is PROP in a MOVIE. the rbblahblahblah is a great motor in jap cars, but not in a classic mustang like this. the high rpm, low torque inline 6 motor will be still in the 60 foot mark when the low rpm, high torque big block powered motor is at the 330. just simply because of the grunt to get it off the line. (unless you’re talking about a full drag car which will bounch off 7k rpms and still launch good) which we are obviously not, because we need the car. and it looks like a streeter with a huge ugly fart can. BTW 13.3@109 is pretty piggggish, there are much faster v8 powered cars with the same hp, but more more more more tq.
June 5th, 2006 at 9:40 am
btw, 350z are some of the ugliest new cars, they are extremely overpriced for their performance, 14lfat 1/4 on a very very good day, decent handling, decent braking. definatly not worth 30k+
June 8th, 2006 at 1:18 am
The RB26DETT is an Inline-Six, not a V6. It does not “buzz”. It’s not a cruddy Honda four-banger. This thing purrs and growls. Take a look (and, most importantly, a listen) at this 200mph tunnel run in a Skyline:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZ5FIf6MuHU&search=nagata
They’re not going to NEED to overdub the sound of a V8 when this thing roars onto the big screen. It already sounds awesome.
By the way, the Nissan Skyline isn’t an FWD car. It’s an AWD car with an adjustable torque bias. In the case of this Mustang, it’s RWD-only. Plenty of power for Drift racing, as this vehicle was intended for such a role.
I personally don’t see anything wrong with putting one of these in a Mustang. After all, how many of us have fantasized about putting a Ford or Chevy crate motor in a CRX? You think American muscle cars are supposed to be immune to the whole “engine-swapping” thing? Nonsense.
That particular Mustang, stock, had an old, anemic Ford V6 in it, not a V8. They didn’t trash a nice V8 muscle car; they gave it a serious upgrade. The RB26DETT has amazing aftermarket support, and a properly-built one can produce well over five hundred horsepower and yet retain its streetability.
In fact, I wouldn’t mind HAVING this car! I think I’m going to have to find a junker ’stang from the same model year, restore it, and drop in a highly-modified RB. With a little effort, I’ll be running tens!
I think the best way to go is to avoid devoting yourself to a particular subset of car culture. I like all cars… everything from AMC Pacers, to Subaru Imprezas, to Dodge Challengers, to McLaren F1s. EVERYTHING. I’ll have it all, while you fanboys cower behind your little “favorites”, slinging stones across the pond. Give me a break!
June 8th, 2006 at 7:06 am
As a proud classic Mustang owner myself (1967), I am horrfied to see what they have done to such a classic and collectible car. Fastbacks are becoming rare, especially with all the Eleanor’s being made, soon everybody will be trying to copy the car. this will just ruin the classic appeal and timeless quality of the mustang. Someone should really talk to these studio executives. I mean who really cares how many rice racers, sake burners or whatever their called are ruined becasue their always thousands more, their like a plague on earth. If their making a ricer movie, why include a car like this, they did this for the last movie as well and destroyed a good number of camaros and challengers (a real shame), these people have no respect or brains.
For those people that think you can get serious horsepower out of these tiny little econobox japanese engines, go get your head examined. If you say “thats what the dyno says” then check your dyno, its broken. All these people on this site are saying “you can get 1600 horsepower” but they dont mention that in many cases you blow your engine and/or transmission just trying to reach and maintain that level of power and they are all designed for top speed, have no torque or balls and sound like fart cans with their 5″ exhauts. You want to see power and torque, go look at muscle cars they made forty years ago, their still kicking around these new import racers. All of you knuckleheaded rice racers need to get some class and sophistication and go buy some REAL cars, cause you all look like a bunch of retards with wheels too big for your econobox cars that destroy ride quality, huge exhaut tips that do nothing except atrract attention and attempt to sound as loud or as mean as American V8’s do naturally. If you think i’m joking, bring any of your rice racers along and i’ll give you a lesson, see how you do against a fully road registered 67 mustang with 2200 rear wheel horsepower to play with out of a naturally aspirated 289. Bring it on, but I forgot, your cars (if you can call them that) would blow their engines just trying to keep up on a gentle cruise.
June 10th, 2006 at 3:33 pm
I am an old school hot rodder and a Ford guy, I am sick to death of guys putting Chev engines in old Ford bodies, Now I have look at this crap? Like a guy commented earlier, clearly done to humor the young movie goers. As a guy who has built engines, hot rods, and race cars for 25 years, in my opinion this is roughly equivalent to putting a Briggs and Stratton in a Ferrari. I’m not impressed.
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June 11th, 2006 at 4:35 pm
please visit http://www.racebread.com/ . i know that v8’s and all of that sort are indeed powerful, and american cars usually own on the track, but just check it out. you’ll find some interesting stuff in there. i personally don’t like what they did, but they did go out of the way to do something different. that’s all.
June 12th, 2006 at 3:01 pm
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June 16th, 2006 at 6:02 pm
This argument will go on forever. First off lets stop with this American vs import crap. The majority of so called “imports” are made in America so the home country pride thing is retarded. Me being an import driver(mitsubishi Evolution), I still think this swap is upsetting. First, It is a mans car and he can do what he wants with it but I love old domestics and think they should be left as classics. Second I rather see that engine in the sexy supercar it originally came in rather then in some beautiful mustang being drifted in some shit box movie giving dumbass kids ideas and us (non-rice) import owners a bad rep. So I agree with the domestic owners that the engine DOES NOT belong there but disagree with there ignorance in many of the earlier posts about all japanese cars never being on the level of Domestics.
June 17th, 2006 at 7:36 pm
I have (and still do) own a number of cars. Both old and new, imports and classic American steel. I think it is original, (this car) and certainly unique. However, as a proud owner of a 67 Mustang I would never do this to my own car. I would rather have my 40 year old 428 scaring the womenfolk and neighborhood kids with a sound like Zeus on four wheels tearing a hole in the earth. Kudos to the engineers who made this engine work in this car, and shame on the studio execs for showcasing the racing culture of the day (I use that term very loosely, but there are hardcore racers out there who DO drive Hondas and Nissans) and not promoting the power and potential of an American Classic. Oh, and to the young man who claims to have beaten ‘Mr. V8′ in the Stingray, in order for a lie to be convincing, it must contain at least an element of truth. Anyone who has ever driven a car, no, anyone who has ever seen, been near a car, hell anyone who can spell the word car would know your story is absurd. It is equally absurd to claim 2200 HP in a 289. But at least he did not have an elaborate tale to go along with his BS. And as for the statement that ‘these are just machines’, and ‘they are not gods’, true on both accounts. However, they are also quite a bit more than that. Cars inspire passion in people, enough that they would carry on a dialogue with a complete stranger arguing a silly point of view. Cars (especially in the states) are a part of our culture, a certain freedom is obtained when you get your first car. I don’t know anybody who can not remember their first car, or even the car that their father taught them to drive in. If you have taken the time to read these posts, like I have, you obviously don’t think of your car the way that you think of your toaster. Just some machine with no soul, here to perform the fucntion it was created for until it needs to be replaced. I personally prefer the style and sound of the muscle car era, but every car out there, from a brand new Skyline to a 60 year old Pickup has got some soul of it’s very own. Regardless of what is was designed to do, take the kids to soccer practice, navigate 400 year old European roads or embarass the guy next to you at a red light, they have ALL got some appeal, some character, some soul.
June 21st, 2006 at 1:30 am
We all know why the RB26 (ricer engine) was chosen for the car,its obvious actualy ,,, its because its the most tunable engine in the world ,, with a capable 1400 + BHP ,,, and it eats yank engines all day long. My advice is replace ALL yank engined cars with these RB26’s and make it compulsary. :~)
June 27th, 2006 at 8:37 am
to all you people….v8 power is the best for drag racing and will always beat the japs at it!
June 27th, 2006 at 7:02 pm
You know, I read through all of this and my first though, before reading this, was that it was stupid to put a Nissan motor in a classic Ford Mustang.
Then I read ColdBastrd’s comments and it completely changed my sentiment.
If we go back 20 years, I would agree, but come into the 90’s and I disagree.
Has anyone seen an Acura Legend? I would fully expect to see one of those at a Classic Car show. And they have style, and grace, and emotion into them.
Lexus has done the same, along with other manufacturers.
Yeah, maybe they don’t do so in there “mainline” cars, but look at the higher end ones where they at one point had just turned the artists free…….
June 27th, 2006 at 9:46 pm
my heart is in muscle cars all the way and i cant get enough of the sound of a american V8 but i respect the hell out of a skyline and its wonderful motor which IS capable of SUSTAINING over 1000hp
both imports and domestic cars have a lot of potential just in different areas
for drag and style buy classic american
for straight race, import all the way
but one thing noone has mentioned yet is the fact that there were 2 mustangs. 1 for the actual drifting stunts and another as a movie prop. For the actual drifting mustang that did the stunts a NA american V8 was used. The RB26 mustang was just shown as a prop. The Rb26 Mustang dynoed at about 340 bhp. Where as the V8 mustang dynoed at a little less. Both ran well and both were close to equal in performance.
PS who ever sais imorts will never be classics is a close minded fool. No doubt classic american cars are true beauty, but an AE86 Carolla is DEFENITLY a classic and the R34 will be one soon. To the man that said Imports will never have style google search a “1972 Skyline” and see what comes up.
June 27th, 2006 at 9:49 pm
wow man dats insane maybe this will help the bad blood between imports and domestics crazy, but cool
June 28th, 2006 at 1:08 am
Whilst you guy’s fight over japanese vs. american…look who coming around the corner. Me and my 1988 BMW M5(if i ever get one) will beat all of you, with my wife and two kids in back.
In all seriousness, you can’t be too critical of a movie prop that mixes and matches engines and chassis of two different cultures untill you see it in the context of the movie. Having see the movie myself, I was quite impressed with the way they brought the japanese “heart” into the stubborn american “soul” to produce a car that was unique and fitting for the role it played in the movie. Once you see the movie and the situation it was in, make your descision about the car, not about the concept.
PS: German can play the power game too. Namely the Mercedes CL65 amg and the HPA motorsport R32 gti.
http://www.mbusa.com/models/main.do?modelCode=CL65
http://hpamotorsports.com/projects_finished_hpa-r32.htm
June 30th, 2006 at 7:23 am
I too indeed find this swap extremely offensive.
Why?
Because the rb26 is in a league above the mustang.
We live in a world where (in most civilised countrys…..discounting your (United States) irresponsible excuse for anything environmentally concious) there are such things as emissions control. To have millions of people driving around a carby push-rod V8 in a place like Tokyo would be insane in terms of smog etc. Thats why people dont use them.They have NO place in 2006 except next to the fossils in your local museum. Only a stupid Yank living in Tokyo would even think of using a mustang shell to race too (as races have corners). Compare a 1960’s prince skyline to the mustang and id take the prince anyday.
It is a fact that the Toyota Camry is and has been for many years the biggest selling car means something. You build CRAP. The American car industry hasnt built a decent car since the Charger, your build quality dire, and now your using ‘ricer style’ to see alot of your cars looking at the GM brochure. And theyre mostly FWD.
The Gt-R Nissan Skyline isn’t the best car ever built, but can anyone remember it in Bathurst in Australia racing against the V8’s in the early 90’s. They had to ban it as it ran circles around everything else made by your friends Ford and GM. And sitting in that hot little engine bay was the trusty RB26. You can use it for drifting, drag racing, trackwork and then drive it home at the end of the day road legal. Try that with your T-Bucket.
To also state the fastest production cars of today and the Arial Atom and the Bugatti Veyron in case you were mixed up. And saying V8’s forever, if your even educated and know anything about physics you’d know that the straight six is the only perfectly balanced engine mass produced today.
The ricer debate-YOU Americans are marketing it at yourselves, its your own fault.
The American car industry for years has been the laughing stock of the world, and may it forever be. Thats why even your fellow Americans wont buy it anymore.
You wouldn’t watch a black and white TV. Why drive a V8? Losers.
July 2nd, 2006 at 10:35 am
I have to agree on both sides….”rice” motors will stand with american v8’s(my own personal preferance)but…just imagine that same v8 block with all the “rice” engineering…no one would be able to argue that….if they can put out a thousand plus hp with a tiny 6 cyl just imagine what could be done with a BIG v8/v10….and I don’t mean the honda f1 car…they could obviously do better than that(I’m sure they’re bound to a certain hp rating for the track)…the engeneering marvals they’ve(according to half of those submitted) already achieved with a 6 would make a bad ass, light ass, sufficient v8/v10 with butt loads of tq and hp around the 2-3k range….who’s up for the test drive??????
July 7th, 2006 at 7:25 am
Why does engine size even matter? Unless you treat them as extentions of your own penises. It all depends on what type of car, how heavy, how much room do you have to play with while designing the car. If you trace back the history of cars from various nations, there will be an explanation to why different cars from different places are built differently – which indirectly affects how today’s cars turn out.
You have to consider the country’s economy, geographical features and other variables because those things affect how people decide to build their machines. And as the world is getting smaller, you find that people are accepting these various foreign influences. Japan has a different car building philosophy from America. Europe is different too. But now its obvious that Europe and Japan are finding more of a common ground in how they design their cars – because this sells more cars.
To Muscle Purists: American muscle definitely has it’s appeal, but that doesnt mean that everything in the future has to revolve around this appeal. It’s great to hang on to history, but don’t be ignorant towards the future. Don’t hate new creations just because they have 2 or 4 less cylinders than you.
To Ricer fanatics: Ricers are great. Compact power. But you can’t blame a man for loving his V8.
Yes ofcourse if you compare Bhp/Litre american V8s will look stupid. In today’s economical state, I would think quite a few times before considering an american V8 for my ride. I have nothing against V8s. I just hope to see American V8s give more for a bit less displacement. If you’ve lived in Asia you would know why American cars never made it across prior to the days of rebadged Chevys.
Gas isn’t as cheap in the rest of the world as it is in the states – even before all the oil fiascos going on. Everyone is looking for effiecient power for the best bang for their buck. Plus there’s the road tax. The average family won’t pay 60-70% more road tax just to have a daily car with a 5.0L engine in it. So the big engine market is dominated by European luxury models – which is exactly what america should be selling – because that my friend is something people would consider buying if they had the money to pay for GAS AND TAX.
But then again, I dont think the 2.0L 4 banger concept would have worked for the Americans for the kind of applications America needed cars for back in the days – with wider roads than most of the world and long distances to travel. The cars were big, and obviously you need a big engine to lug that mass around at the expense of consumption. But today America like the rest of the world is changing, and things that would never be considered suitable before, are thngs that are sought after now.
I guess what I’m trying to say is there is a car for every type of user/enthusiast out there. When 2 sides flame each other, its easy to forget where it all started. Your history shapes your world today. If you don’t like what someone had done to their car, just don’t do it to your car. Because everyone has different concepts of doing things.
Respect that.
July 9th, 2006 at 8:51 pm
I would like to say a few things. I spent a few hours reading this and well I have laughed at all sides of the arguement but I still don’t get what is wrong with imports? I happen to own a 90 Nissan 240SX, it will be recieving a CA18DET (essentially a 4cylinder RB motor). It basically has an intake, ignition, weight reduction, header and straight pipe, and alcohol injection. There are other mods but nothing worth noting. So I have invested about $600 into my motor, its a 2.4L SOHC 12v. Nothing really special, just a basic USDM motor. I can line up with any stock 5.0 stang and kill it. Half the motor.
Everyone is always saying “imports need turbos and this and that”. Yes there are alot of turbo imports, but look at a Honda S2000. Near 250hp on a 2.0L 4Cylinder naturally aspirated. A same year (99-02) Mustang GT Has 260hp and a 4.6L V8. The S2000 gets better milage as well. I would just like to state though, the reason us import drivers use turbo is the SAME reason you domestic guys use huge displacement motors. A 2.0 Liter 4cylinder is only able to consume -2- liters of air. A 5.0 V8 is capable of consuming -5-. All a turbo does is pressurize that 2liters of air into 3liters, 8 liters, 15liters, whatever it needs. Yes a Turbo or S/C big block makes alot more power than a basic boosted DSM or Skyline, but then if your domestic motor is boosted to consume 15liters of air, you could do the same to the skyline and probably make more HP. The skyline isnt designed to use the same amount of air as blown 502. End Story.
This mustang was DESIGNED for drifting, NOT for drag racing. Those are decent numbers drag racing being that its about the same as a mustang with that much power coming out of a V8. Also, the RB26DETT is about 320hp but some have come out of factory at 350-380hp.
And also, you domestic people think cuz a car has to “rev higher” is a bad thing? Real HP is Torque x Rev x Gear Ration or something like that. If you have two cars making 150ft torque with the same transmission. The one redlining at 5krpms will be making 1/3rd true WHP compared to the one reving to 15krpms.
July 9th, 2006 at 9:05 pm
Could it be that perhaps Jimmy is a bit testy about NOT being an American? It certainly seems he is harboring a large amount of animosity. We live in a world (including my beloved United States) where there are such things as grammar and punctuation. They are appreciated, and taught to all. Only a stupid yank living in Tokyo would have the means, and capacity to drive a 40 year old car amidst fuel sipping toys. This is not a car that was produced yesterday, but in 1967. Which makes most of your USA hate rant completely irrelevant, since the car in question was built alongside of, before, and after the Charger. My suggestion to you would be to quit your job at the button factory, go back to complete whatever education you can get in your tiny corner of the globe, and then come to the United States. We need more people who have no idea what they are talking about. You see, my dear Jimmy, in the States, even a close minded, angry little fool can make a difference. By the by, who in their right mind would take a 60’s Prince Skyline over a 60’s Mustang? Even the folks who marketed, sold and developed the Skyline in the 60’s wish it had been the Mustang! Really, get it together, kid.
July 13th, 2006 at 1:05 pm
Personally I’d take any 60’s/70’s Skyline, Silvia, Fairlady, Bluebird, Celica, Levin, Galant, etc. over a muscle car. So many more things you can do to them…..
July 13th, 2006 at 10:24 pm
NismoPartyboy -As mentioned above I have a number of cars, imports and American. The only Nissan models you listed availabe in the 60’s and 70’s were the Skyline, Bluebird, Silvia and Fairlady. You also could have listed the President D, Laurel, Gloria or Cedric. In a stock configuration, the most powerful of these was the 1969 Skyline GT-R, weighing in at 2500 lbs (coupe) and boasting a modest 155 bhp and 128 lbft of torque. You’ll have to agree with me Mr. Nismo that these numbers are not going to make anybody catch their breath. I happen to own a 1972 Bluebird-U 1600 (which I love, incidentally) however anyone who knows a little about cars will know that even the best stock Nissan in the 60’s and 70’s (afforementioned) could not hope to hold a candle to the worst stock car of the muscle car era. The fact of the matter is, it is only the advancement in engine and design technologies that have led to the kind of figures and performance we now see in much smaller, faster imports. And, as clearly demonstrated by the confused hybrid car at the top of this page, anything at all can be done to any car. So, I just don’t see the “so many more things you can do to them…” to a car that was a ‘C’ performer at best. When you could have a car from the same time period that would have a comparable curb weight and three times the power and torque. I’ve already demonstrated a love of cars, (in the process of buying and shipping a new Skyline even as I write this!!) but I’d have to agree that a 60’s Mustang (which I also have, two of them) would be the car of choice over a 60’s Skyline. Now, would I take a new Mustang over a new Skyline? Not a chance in hell. I like the retro styling, but I have not purchased a new Ford product (not counting Mazda) in over 12 years.
July 14th, 2006 at 8:45 am
Me being the owner of a 1968 Mustang with a 390 in it… I would rather take my V8 and gladly run it up any ricers fart can and as far as that mustang with the skyline in it… Any guy who supports domestic muscle cars if this interets you in any other way then hate you make me sick
July 18th, 2006 at 9:53 pm
Frankly, I am surprised it took so long for someone to do it! I have been thinking about taking the AMC 360 swap out of my AMC Spirit for a Nissan RB25DET/5 speed setup out of a Skyline GTS-T for a while now. They don’t call the RB26DETT ” Godzilla” for nothing. It, like Toyota’s 2JZ-GTE is an excellent engine, capable of close to 1,000 hp on stock internals and block. Very few domestics can lay claim to that (GM’s Ecotec being one of them). A Ford Windsor ( 221, 260,289,302,351) will split the block if you try to eclipse 600hp, a Chevy LS1 will blow head gaskets due to the 4 bolt per cylinder head design, as will a Mopar LA. There is nothing wrong with a V8 in a Musatng, but c’mon…it’s been done to death. This is not 1968, so why limit yourself to technology from that time? Hot Rodding has always been about using whatever was available and doing with it what you wanted in order to make the car you desired. If you really want a 289, 302 , 390 , 428, or even a 200 or 250 inline six powered 1968 Mustang, go for it. If someone really wants to properly science out a Japanese to Musclecar swap though, realize that that’s cool too. It represents forward thinking and creativity, something rarely achieved with a pushrod V8 in the car it came in.
July 18th, 2006 at 10:07 pm
Oh, and for those who feel Japanese cars lack soul, there are many classic Japanese cars with plenty of it. The Toyota 2000GT, Datsun 510 ( all independant suspension, 50/50 weight distribution, OHC aluminum head 4-all in 1968?), 1600 and 2000 rodasters and 240Z, Mazda RX-2 and RX-3 ( to say nothing of the RX-7 !), Subaru 360, and many others all have alot of soul and charicter, unlike the GM and Ford rental cars of today! Do you really think a 2003 Chevy Malibu or Ford Taurus has any soul or charicter? How about the Chevette? Mercury Montego? Buick Apollo? Dodge Monaco? Need I go on? There are plenty of souless cars produced by manufacturers in all countries ( don’t even get me started on British Leyland !) but that is not to say that all have no soul.
July 19th, 2006 at 12:10 pm
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July 20th, 2006 at 3:53 am
Hey guys ummm i think the deal was to make a stang a little more balanced and still have a certain amount of power.Obviously it worked…And for all you domestic guys…Relax…Geez i own 3 fords and work at the nissan Plant in Smyrna tennessee.It wasnt sacriledge to put an rb motor in a damn Stang…If thats the case why hasnt one of you said anything about the BMW engine in the McClaren F1???Or the Mercedes Engine in the Pagoni Zonda..or the Ford Engines in the Panoz cars or the…Well you see what im saying.Because it works and it works well.If it was dudes car and thats what he wanted more power to him.Just like in professional racing Everybody jumps on the powerplant that has the edge…Or have you guys forgotten that?There was a big deal about that in indy a couple years ago…Vitor meira and i were talking about it…Its all about what you want and What works For you.Can we try to respect each other around this bitch!?!
Please???
July 21st, 2006 at 2:56 pm
To: Reality Check
Your head is in the sand if you think that old school motors are going to die with the people who built them. I am only 19 and i can say that i know more than just a handful of people who are my age and who love the old school ways. We have a saying around where i live ” the older the better” we dont just say that because we are backwards or stupid, we see both sides of the argument. We just cant seem to get that rumble of a 400+ hp car or truck out of our heads. Its not like im saying this just to you, everyone needs to have their own thing, and thats great, but when you say something as ignorant as that i just cant help but say something. I would take a muscle car over an import anyday. As far as the word “stock” being thrown around thats like the word “buillt” or “tuned” being said if you dont have the slightest clue about what it takes to build a “stock” motor or a “built” motor then you shouldnt make an ass of your self. And as far as the stang having a nissan motor in it, i think both Henry Ford and Steve McQueen would roll over in their graves if they seen that. There is nothing wrong with trying something new but remember where you started and stay true to your roots.
July 29th, 2006 at 11:32 pm
Basically it comes down to one or two things. The main one is the japs are one up to the americans when it comes to a little thing called “Volumetric Effeciency” and the research/technology around it. Yes a large N/A displacement motor will produce more torque than a low displacement motor, regardless of piston count. Thats where Turbos come in. You can boost a 1liter motor to hold 6liters of air inside of it, thus turning it into a 6liter when boosted while retaining the normal driveablity and economy of the 1 liter while off boost.
Variable Valve Timing, regardless of the company does this in an N/A since. It uses gas effiecient cruising lobes on the cam, then at a set RPM (at least on older VTEC and stuff, I dont know much about the modern intelligent systems) it crosses to a more agressive set up. Some cars gain up to 20-30hp ,IIRC, from that function.
Also dont forget the internals on the motors such as the Nissan VQ/RB/SR/CA, Honda B/K/F and Toyotas 2JZ/3S-GTE/4AGE are mich more highly advanced than the internals of motors like the 302, 305, 350, 383 etc… Believe it or not, the Nissan RB and CA motors also have Hemispherical Chambers (NEO heads), Chrysler is the only one just cuz theirs is called HEMI.
Look at a 350Z. 287hp 273 tq…Stock.. Thats a Nissan VQ35DE motor. 3.5L Twin-Cam, fuel injected. It uses valve timing, lift controls, it has carbon fiber reinforced cylinder walls etc… That motor gets 25mpg in spirited mixed driving. Compare that to a 2002 Mustang GT. 4.6L SOHC 260hp (thats sad!), and im sure it doesnt get no 25mpg. Yes it has more torque because its got a larger displacement, but too much torque in some cases = traction issues = handling issues…If Nissan wanted a motor to produce better numbers than the Mustang it could, oh wait it did. The VG30DETT. 300-330hp and 300-330lb-ft. 3L V6 Twin Cam/Twin Turbo.
July 29th, 2006 at 11:41 pm
I should have also mentioned. A 10Liter 8Cylinder with the same motor R&D as a 5L 4Cyl should produce exactly double the HP at full motor limits. Now whether that means 2000hp-8cyl and 1000hp-4cyl or much different numbers comes down to the block designs themselves. Note the V configuration IS NOT as good as the inline configuration and thus the peak hp would be less than double but still much greater. But for arguements sake and a perfect world I am taking 2 blocks making the 8cylinder and one the 4cyinder with exact same everything such as cam/crank design etc.
That is why the top fuel dragsters use the bigger larger motors. Because of true phsycial limit. A 2liter-I4 may be limited to NEVER possibly be more than a500liter. But the 8liter (i dont know if this is exponential, linnear or what so *shrugs* could be either i guess a 508liter or 2000liter ratio depending. Making the larger motor at limits better…. But this conversation isnt about perfect worlds and at-limit motors running around and truth is the japanese motors have better R&D making them compete (on the streets) with the american v8’s.
July 30th, 2006 at 6:32 pm
Well, he’s right (NismoPartyBoy) gentlemen. Concisely explained and true to the letter. Western automotive manufacturers are just a slip behind the Japanese, holding to big V8s out of tradition and appealing to American heritage. I love a lopey V8 as much as the next guy (maybe MORE than the next guy) but the times have changed, and 40 year old technology can’t hope to remain competitive against powerplants that have had a generation or two to develop. Of course, it still remains a matter of personal preferance, but the gap in performance will continue to widen until the big three (if there even is such a thing anymore) take it back to the drawing board. Much more time/money needs to be spent on research and development, particularly in the nature of fuel efficiency.
August 5th, 2006 at 4:30 am
Listen Gents, I was born and bread as a american motor head. The more displacement the better right?…lol that is some funny shit. For the last 10 years i have been in japan and seen bult and tunes engines that are about half the size of american engines. And you know what the funniest part is they are much faster better on gas !! The only thing differance between american engines and japanese engines is that japanese engines you actually have to know what you are doing when you are building. SO Don’t dump on the “rice cars” unless you built, raced, or tuned one.
August 9th, 2006 at 6:59 pm
Of course, building an engine capable of generating big hp on stock internals is NOT a new thing. Nor is it a ‘Japanese’ thing. In 1965 (yes, over 40 years ago!) the Ford Motor Company introduced a little engine known as the 427 ‘cammer’. With a 2×4 setup this ancient big block made 650+ hp and 550+ lb ft of torque. STOCK. Just think of the possibilities with modern components and/or upgrades. Could you get 1200 hp out of it? If you can get 700 out of a 302 with twin turbos (which you can, see that OTHER hybrid muscle car on this site!) then I don’t see why not…… I just thought I’d mention it.
August 14th, 2006 at 1:21 am
I can see why some people see it as defilance. The first model mustang is a piece of American history. But that doesn’t mean that this car is wothless. On the contrary, it´s inspired!
A ford V8 has a distinctive sound that purists love. When I hear the burble of a good old V8 I close my eyes and just enjoy the sound. I love it, even find it soothing. I´m also completely in love with uniquw performance´s Super Snake. Damn, now that´s a PONY!
BUT! And it´s a big fat one, to put an engine as sophisticated as the RB26 into a fastback body is, to my opinion, pure genius. Here we have an engine that can be pumped up to 1500 bhp without drilling it up ore swapping it out. maintenace will be hell, but IT IS POSSIBLE. The RB26 is a wonderfull engine, a straight six like no other. The RB26DETT is an engine wich has the love and respect of tuners and motorsport enthousiast everywhere. It is pure automotive porn. Nothing less.
I´m a pertolhead if there ever was one. I love mustlecars, ponycars and prostreet cruisers. But those cars are thursty, and need their maintenance. The pocket rockets of Japan are more reliable, reasonably maintenancefree and really fun to drive. They are more suited for our European streets.
I’m not a big fan of the exsaust (would’ve fitted sidepipes) but the rest is pretty cool!
August 18th, 2006 at 7:11 pm
I my self have always loved the v8s and though my whole life I’ve dreamed of the day to get my mustang. But honestly guys, I still have to bow down to this man who has made this hybrid mustang. ITS Bloody brilliance in a nut shell. I have absolutely no problem with this idea of putting one of the best jab engines an Rb26DEtt into to one of the best muscle cars. I can see how some people are offended by this hybrid but it’s a great engine in a great shell, so get over it. And seriously if it’s your car do what you want to it, does it really matter, every one else can do what they wont with there car.
September 23rd, 2006 at 8:22 pm
Wow, we have idiots on both sides. At least you folks are literate.
I personally like a lot of different sports cars… Corvettes, Vipers from America… Skyline GT-R is a great Japanese car… BMW makes some sweet German cars that are not the fastest thing on the road, but are very easy to drive near the limit…
If you hate on a car because it’s from Japan, from Germany, from America… You’re just being a close minded bigot.
Now, I want to point out that I am fairly familiar with the RB26DETT engine, and I do not believe for a minute that it does 945hp on stock internals. They are known to go to 400hp fairly easily… beyond that break out the wallet if you don’t want it to break down a lot…
Yet, to the guy who said the same money in an old iron push rod will make more power, you are simply ignorant of the facts. The Skyline GT-R is almost a super car, with it’s 320 estimated stock hp (all Japanese manufacturer’s have a “gentleman’s agreement” not to publish power numbers over 280ps), 4WD, 4 wheel steering… and yes, a simple increase in boost is known to get these cars up to 400 hp… The amazing thing is that these cars sell in Japan for the rough equivalent of $35K USD. At that price, precious little will touch the GT-R.
And to the guy who said hp sells cars, torque makes them go… I couldn’t agree more. However, check the torque numbers on the RB engines… They aren’t too shabby.
If you are in love with V8s, look at what BMW is able to do now… No pushrods, hell they aren’t even using hydraulic valves anymore! That’s right, fully electronic actuated valves. Drive by wire, electronic fuel injection, variable intake length, variable valve timing… Whereas traditionally, if you wanted torque off the line, you had to give up top end, or vice versa, the new BMW engine management system can tune the car, on the fly, for optimum power at any point in the RPM range.
To the guy who says Japanese cars have no style and none are classics… GET A CLUE!!! I am 100% sure you are American, and I guess you don’t realize that the reason the American cars are popular here is because they are from here. DURR!!! The 240Z of the 70s is a classic car, deal with it. The 90-96 300ZX was a beautiful car, and IMO ahead of any other mfgr’s styling in 1990. Find another car that looked that sweet in that price range from 1990! At that time, your precious Corvette was still sporting the body style of 1984 (which looked an awful lot like a Firebird to me).
Nissan makes some great cars. That doesn’t mean that Ford or Chevy (or BMW and Mercedes) don’t. Stop blinding yourselves.
And the same goes for you guys hating on the American rides… The new Corvette’s may still have pushrod engines, but look beyond your prejudice… There is a lot of technology in that composite chassis… light-weight, and stronger than ever…. Titanium exhaust…. How about the heliomagnetic suspension system that was, I believe, first introduced on the 50th anniversary Corvette. A dual-processor computer system monitored the suspension and adjusted it hundreds of times *per second* by changing the voltage or current (can’t remember which for sure) run through a special liquid surrounding bearings in the shocks. The liquid becomes more or less viscous based on the current run through it. It can thusly stiffen the suspension in a tight corner, but loosen it up on a hard launch.
All manufacturer’s have something to bring to the table… Don’t hate; APPRECIATE!!!
October 4th, 2006 at 12:49 pm
People, it’s just a f#cking car, get over it… Who cares if it is powered by a Japanese engine or 2-cylinder diesel as long as it does what a 67′ fastback is supposed to do, that being haul ass. Main things to consider for the petty squabblers, the 67 fastback is a kick ass car and the RB26DETT is a kick ass engine period. Mating these two together only equates to a higher degree of ‘kick ass’ness’.
For the would be labeled ‘purest’ people that demand a V8 is the only way to go with a mustang and a 6-cylinder is heresy. I say “ha!”, if Ford had engineered this engine, you would be praising Ford for it. On that note, Ford does have a very similar engine, bad thing though, it is only sold in Australia. It’s a 4.0 inline 6 turbo that puts out 360hp and a huge load of torque. If someone where to drop that puppy in a 67′ fastback, you’d be jerking your ‘purest’ dicks into a frenzy.
October 13th, 2006 at 8:40 am
hmmm seems that noone is really up for something new. LS1 big deal over rated, nissan skyline damn good car yet over rated and americans really dont know the potential of this car seeings how its not here. muscle guys get over you V8 very over rated. Imagineation is what the engine is about, doing something noone has ever done before. i mean whats the diffrence between putting a skyline RB26 in or a chevy engine in. ITS NOT A FORD ANYMORE anyways. and the RB26 is in the R32, R33, and R34 and can be fitted very nicely in a 240SX/silvia. and stock power is 326 BHP. anyways my point is orginality is dead! need something to living up things here in the states. and to end this A CAR IS A CAR, ITS YOURS DO WHAT YOU WANT NOT WHAT THEY THINK SHOULD BE DONE.
October 13th, 2006 at 9:25 am
Another point for me personally is the best race style is drifting. real driving its not time attack, its not drag, and its not straight, its pure skill completly controling a car at speeds in exes of 70 mph sideways. takes years of practice, drag you learn to shift faster, time attack and track racing you take faster coners but its all pretty basic. to hit the clutch, brake, gas and the e-brake at the same time as shifting is nothing short of talent. plus the big thing is that an Ae86 corolla can spank a mustang (vaugh gettin JR) viper (craze swed) even the GTO (rhys millen) because its not what you have under the hood, its about how you handle the car. everything has its place but try it take your V8 and hit up infineon or irwendale aginst a 240sx or a corolla or even a 350z see where that takes you.
October 14th, 2006 at 4:54 pm
im pretty sure that an RB26DETT would eat your V8 and crap it out the tailpipe, after it chopped it up in that turbo, seening as the RB26, came from the base of the RB25 which was the original motor in the Nissan Skyline, which would also kill almost any streetable V8, not some cammed up hunk of metal that you cant keep at idle at a stoplight, i personally think its a cool combination, especially when they dont show them building motor mounts or any other modifications
October 29th, 2006 at 3:32 am
I dont know if it’s passion or ignorance but you guys are nuts. It all comes down to cubic inches. And none of these engines are the same size so you cant really compare. If you want to compare race engines, v8’s dominate dragracing. You say they dont handle, then what about the c5r. What form of racing do they actually win at. They only beat other ricers. You guys keep talking about the 350z likes it’s awesome or something. But if i saw one on the street i wouldn’t even bother trying to race it, because i might as well race a mini-van. When have any of you actually seen a skyline r34. Seriously guys, name one japanese car (in stock form)that performs anywhere near some of the new american cars out now. How much power do they actually put out stock, cause that’s the real test. Any car can make a 1000hp with enough money.
October 30th, 2006 at 11:42 pm
what a load of bollocks every one knows yank cars are shite. and its a good job
most of the roads there are long and very straight cos they dont like corners either.
November 3rd, 2006 at 6:23 am
I don’t think u are reading this but I must say, ColdBastrd.
I am pure blooded Japaese lived 3/4 my life in own coutry and 1/4 my life in North America.
As you said earlier, “Japanese Does not have soul towards their car”, I am fully opporse to this comment.
There are many people feels same way as you in Japan towards new production cars; many cars lost/do not have have thier identity.
However, there are cars that made with engeneer’s soul into it, such as first and secound generation Skyline GTRs. Probabily you do not know the story how and why this car developed, how much cheif engeneer/ designer put their time, effort and feeling towards the car. There are lots of straggle, sacrifice, and emotion towards developing, producting the cars.
Even it is over 30years old car, People take great care for the cars, have great feeling towards the cars. And offcourse they rebuild and still race the car like good old American Mucsles.
Same goes Mazda RX-3, Datsun Blue Bird, 240Z/280Z/300Z, Toyota 2000GT, Toyota Crown, Toyota Century, Toyota MrII, Honda 800, etc.
Even for fairly new production cars like Skyline, Supra, RX-7, Honda S2000, Mitubishi FTO, engeneers/designers put enormouse time and effort into those cars.
And you are telling me “Japanese Cars(company, people) does not have soul”??
Offcourse Japenses are successful now a days BUT do not forget, Success dose not come without hard work and scrifices.
I think I know U hate import cars. However, In Japan, there are no import “Hater” or domestic “Hater” over there. The point is they have respect for any cars built in different countries including their own country.
I would happy to see some Respect even though those who hate import cars!
I just could not stop writing my thoughts after i read your comment, ColdBastrd.
ps. Sorry for bad spelling
November 13th, 2006 at 8:52 am
U guys are nuts…Your a moron a stock 2006 Z will hand a stock 2006 mustang GT its own ass on a silver platter in a drag race. Also there are three ways to make big power: Bore/Rev Higher/Forced Induction. With forced induction you can make a 1.0L 3cylinder out perform a 8.0L V8 by using the same principle, more air means ability to add more fuel means more A/F means more power.
As for japanese cars lacking soul, its been said over and over. The japanese have a way of showing emotion that america doesnt. This is reflected EVERYWHERE. Look at writings, t.v, etc. I guess you wont understand japanese “soul” until your driving down a beautiful japanese mountain road in a 99 nissan silvia S15, 72 Nissan Skyline or a 85 toyota AE86 Trueno/Levin.
Lack of soul…Look at a 90’s impala. Hmm what Nissan did they steal the tailight design from?
Point is: Stop hating on freaking foriegn cars, this isnt the 80’s anymore. They arent taking meals off of peoples plates around here, they are in fact just as if not more than reliable (JAPANESE NOT KOREAN…save the cars that the big 3 collaborated on…Toyota Cavalier and crap like that). Smaller engines in a performance world means nothing, they are just as competitive. Its not the size of your wang, its how you use it.
November 26th, 2006 at 6:02 am
this is a quote from earlier
(We all know why the RB26 (ricer engine) was chosen for the car,its obvious actualy ,,, its because its the most tunable engine in the world ,, with a capable 1400 + BHP ,,, and it eats yank engines all day long. My advice is replace ALL yank engined cars with these RB26’s and make it compulsary. :~)
Ok here in Australia there is a mix of culture we get most of it from the jap, american and euro stuff but down under we have created an engine that is much more durable/tunable than an rb26, google ford f6 typhoon and see what pops up. they come with 270 kw 550nm standard out of a turbo inline 6 but they are tuned to make more power and torque than the nissans. ok picture a ford inline turbo 6 in there it’s the perfect mix of new tech and it’s still a ford powerplant.
have a look at this internally stock engine on a dyno it’s infront of you so the numbers are real. it makes 90% of it’s torque from 2000 rpm and holds max nearly to the redline so it has the puinch of a v8 with the turbo tech all from the land of oz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUWCo3lDjH8
December 21st, 2006 at 9:11 pm
Infineon does NOT host drift events. NASCAR Nextel Cup, NHRA Drags, IRL Indy races, even Superbikes, but NO drifting. So, other than to leave it in the parking lot, why would you EVER take a Corolla or 240SX to Infineon? Thinking you’ll try your hand at an NHRA drag race in a 350z? Staying home would be far less painful and embarassing.
[ed]Formula D has a drift event each year at Sear’s Point (Infineon)[/ed]
January 5th, 2007 at 11:59 pm
OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am sick and tired of punk ass teenagers thinking smaller engines must be faster! I have a 88′ FOX Mustang with a Twin Turbo 5.0 DOHC Stroker Engine that I pulled out of a 1998 Lincoln Mark VIII and built. It Dynoed at 1850 WHP!!!!!! It runs through a T-56 Into a Dana 60 rear end. I have a best Quarter mile time of 7.25 @ 196MPH! I would like any of your Ricer crap to handle that!
always remember RACE IT, DONT RICE IT!
January 7th, 2007 at 12:16 am
thhgh
January 30th, 2007 at 7:11 pm
Your ricers really know how to screw up a good car!
February 2nd, 2007 at 11:34 pm
man u all v8 lovers sheesh no hard feelings but v8s are not that great i have a friend that owns 1972 camaro ss and i own a mkiv supra tt ill tell ya v8s might be all fast and shit supra and skylines are one of THE most powerful cars out there v8s you have too spend a shit load of money just to make them fast and soo many fuking parts mkiv supra twinturbo and the skylines takes less money to get torque and horse power and i bet you anything that it will beat JIM’s shitstang if he thinks he got wat it takes then why didnt he race the titan supra or the boost logic supra?????? JIM if you are reading this i bet u dont even have 1850 hp i bet u are just bullshiting all the most i seen is 1500hp fatbuner shitstang ever so SHUT THE FUK UP U THINK U KNOW ABOUT CARS???? I BET I CAN EVEN MAKE A CIVIC BEAT YOUR FATBUNER
February 12th, 2007 at 2:01 am
everyone one this post needs to realize that the value of a true original muscle car doesnt come from it going fast or even looking cool. Its all about the history of these amazing cars. they were just simply amazing to think of. u just buy a muscle car out of the show room and take it to the drag strip. the reason people cant think of a japnese car like that is because thety dont have as much age to the…simply put, they arent old enough to be classic.
i personally think that you can make a cool car out of anything. i have everything from 100% original 71 cuda to 2007 infinity g35 and everything in between.
you must realize that this hear is a restomod. ot looks like a mustang from 67 but it is modified to run on todays standards…what someone would call “perfect” and that is exactly what cars are about
so dont bitch about oh my v8 puts out 750hp the the rear wheel on pump gas or my honda civic runs 9s..a car is all about your personal expresion and a car should say what you want it to
,”horsepoer sells cars, but torque wins race”……whoever you are who said the man who said this is an idiot……………………….
you obviously have no respect for the art of hot rodding or tuning or anyhting that has to do with automotives.
the man who said that was Carol Shelby.
that man know more about cars than anyone who posted on this stupid wall and he is a legend and also without him the car you guys are talking about wouldnt have even came about
February 15th, 2007 at 10:26 am
I have been periodically checking on this post for TWO DAMN YEARS!! This has degenerated from a posting about a particular (unique) vehicle into an international mudslinging/pissing contest. Can’t the negativity, personal attacks, and attacks on NATIONS be kept to a minimum? Really, I mean nobody even SAW this goddamn movie. The only people in the world who give half a shit have already been heard from, right here on this site. Let it go, guys. For f*@ks sake, let it go.
February 17th, 2007 at 6:03 pm
I admit the nissan skyline is a very cool car, but plz keep your motors in the cars they came in. Dont go screwing up a 50 year tridition of a big motor in a car. When people go to buy a big truck they look for towing cappacty, tourqe, and hp. They dont look for the gas milage cause they know there not going to get it. When people look for mussle cars they look for style and that BIG ENGINE. Sure you kids out there think different. But you are growing up in an age where “pimped out crap” comes first and rap rules the radio. The kids that grew up before that or had parents that love the old cars. we are all still going to be going for that BIG ENGINE and we are going to look at rice burners as those crappy looking cars. I have a 1968 Mustang in ill tell you when im done with it itll wipe your rice burners all over the wall.
February 17th, 2007 at 6:14 pm
How many Skylines do you see on american roads? The last time i checked they are illeagle in the US of A.
February 19th, 2007 at 5:47 am
ANYONE WHO CALLS THIS CAR A RICER IS NOT THAT BRIGHT BECAUSE A RICER IS A CAR THAT IS SLOW BUT LOOKS FAST WITH SPOILERS, WINGS, GROUND EFFECTS, LIGHTING SO THEREFORE A RB26DETT COULD NEVER BE A RICER BECAUSE IT IS THEE ENGINE TO HAVE ALONG WITH THE SUPRA 2JZ OR 1JZ THESE ENGINES CAN MAKE TONS OF HORSEPOWER AND WILL SHAME ANY V8 WHEN TUNED PROPERLY AND STILL BE RELAIBLE AND NOT TO HATE ON AMERICAN MUSCLE BUT YOU DONT SEE ANYBODY WHINNING LIKE A LITTLE GIRL WHEN YOU SEE A V8 IN A 260Z OR RX-7 SO STOP HATING
February 26th, 2007 at 2:05 am
Okay ricer doesn’t mean it’s dorky or tacky or anything! IT MEANS IT IS FUCKING JAPANESE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That’s what all the American guys called the Corollas and Civics cause they thought they ran on sake or rice wine. Plus this ’stang is da shit dumbasses! So fuck y’all!!!!!!!!!!
February 26th, 2007 at 2:12 am
Typo: I meant ricer does mean it is tacky!
March 3rd, 2007 at 9:45 pm
the skyline is da best there is and is the best car ever to of cum out of japan nothing can beat it but it has to be a gtr not a gts
March 5th, 2007 at 11:29 am
Some mistakes were made in the original story posted … first of all the Skyline enigine is a TwinTurbo and the factory model puts out arround 320 BHP (at the wheels) … second of all the tuner who made the mustang (and 90% of all the cars used in the film) tuned it to 500 BHP flat … still defenitly the most that the RB26DETT can do (versions with over 1000BHP are recorded) …
Its not rice it just makes a good story for the movie and makes new way’s by using Asian engines in US cars.
March 9th, 2007 at 4:03 pm
the care is good just that it dosen’n go good with a nissan engin
March 10th, 2007 at 4:40 am
that is sicking to see a forgin motor in a american icon. that car would have looked good with a 390 or even better a 429 corba jet. then we will see if those little hondas could keep up.
March 14th, 2007 at 9:21 am
Okay, look at where the american cars are going to, they are ACTING like “ricers” Dodge came out with the SRT 4, Chevy Cobalt, Ford Focus, these are all FWD cars which bring them to the “ricer world”. Also your legendary Viper, GTO, and Charger and other classic are into drift racing. Most of the JDM motors are also found in British cars like the Lotus and the MR2. Also look at Ford they own Mazda so the RX8 and the Mustang are basically build side by side. The day american cars stepping up to the current demand and then they might see the next 10 yrs.
March 16th, 2007 at 4:37 pm
i have been reading this for a while now im 17 yrs old and my dad own a import shop we import skylines, silvias, hondas ect. and these jdm (japan motors) motors in the hondas toyotas and mitsubishi are faster then the american spec versions now i see how you guys are saying rice this and that id that mustang is not rice now where i live rice is, FF (front engine, front wheel drive) cars like hondas that have big ass spoilers on them you dont need down force on a fwd!! and the cars with the neon and ugly viynal ok now i read that sombody said that skylines are illeagle well there not they can be imported into the states but cannots be intact they have to have sertain things off of them like the motor wheels spindals exhaust ect now back to the nismo mustang that exhaust that yall call a fart can is not loud its more quiet then you think it helps decrease restriction from the turbo cause it has enough ristriction already not to mention that its a custom mandrall bent 4″ apexi N1 exhaust that will run you around $850 – $1000 ok those wheels are volk racing “rays engineering” (hot shit) they cost over $4000 for the rims and the motor swap is very very very exspensive and is a great motor im actully trying to find out how they did the swap so we can do it also and one thing yall were right on is torque these jdm motors stop light to stoplight will spank your v8s ass now 1/4 – 1 mile youll pull but your gears wont be able to fuck will the jdms tranny and the rear ends gearing i have recorded a suzuki busa racing our shops supra (2jzTT) and that TT titty twister its twin turbo. back to the story the supra blew that busa away you guys need to get your head out of your asses me and my dad built and restored a 1963 ford falcon conv. drop a 302 stroker in it built the whole thing top to bottom it ran so lean we had to put dual quads on it and of corse we had NOS moral of the story is that dad threw me the keys and i threw em back!!! and said thanks but no thanks i want somthing to turn at 9000 rpms and dump the clutch haha
March 19th, 2007 at 7:12 pm
stick with the american muscle in the american muscle cars asswhole
March 19th, 2007 at 7:51 pm
hey bud i think that the nissan engin in that car is quite pethetic, i am 17 and if it were me i would be thowing a big block in that if ya want some torque or atleast a 302 boss. i would classify that car a rice burner. i have a 1994 mustang with a 302 hi output the cool air intake masterflow h pipe and headders with raceing chip and 4:11 gears in it with low profile tires, and the tires are 17inch rims bye 40 wide now that , that is what you call a mustang.
March 27th, 2007 at 12:51 am
The rb26 is a fine engine it makes good power,the skyline is also a great car.
v8s sound alsome and make lots of torque. I like both types of engines. but japenese engines should stay in japenese cars. American v8s should stay in american cars!
March 31st, 2007 at 12:45 pm
of you had seen the film you would know that the reason they never used a V8 is that they didnt have one available and they had the RB26 from a mangled Silvia.. the RB26 is an epic engine and is 10x more reliable than a V8 and will tune to give way more power output that any V8 available.
March 31st, 2007 at 7:49 pm
creo que es una verguenza que coloquen esa maquina dentro de un auto tan prestigioso como el mustang.
no me gusto para nada ver eso, ya esçxisten varios motivos mas.
y hablo como fanatico de chevrolet
April 4th, 2007 at 8:07 pm
look we all know this car was a stupid idea, i like imports and american cars but this guy need to kill him self before someone eals does it for him.
April 6th, 2007 at 2:03 pm
i think mergin the two things together is perfect. the mustang has a stunning, unique body style and the Nissan RB26 straight 6 is an amazing engine, it’s reliable, efficient, more than powerful enough (some producing 1500bhp) and it gives a great noise. i think its 2 great ingredients put together to make an absolutely amazing car. MORE THE MERRIER!
April 9th, 2007 at 11:38 pm
all you people who post comments… get a life please.
April 10th, 2007 at 12:48 pm
I love v8 jerks. The RB has more potential then you’ll ever know. Your right the V8 can be built to make more power cheaper BUT the RB will make up for it in the long run with fuel economy. New technology always wins hands down.
Personally I think its an insult to the RB having been stuck inside a POS Ford. That was just uncalled for but then again it did make the ford more desirable to own. It actually has an engine worth something.
April 12th, 2007 at 4:29 pm
this car is gay my mustang will kill this car. that aint nothing.
April 12th, 2007 at 4:49 pm
i think all of you muscle car guys are mad because the nissan motor would eat your cars up and shit them out
April 14th, 2007 at 1:39 am
rice is for homos who dont kno what a v8 is. a nissan engine come from the tin cans from our beer we throw away. id rather rip my nuts off then drive rice
April 14th, 2007 at 1:58 am
I drive a bmw 325i. Its a six cyl but its respectable. But man do i hate ricers. All they do is take a 6 cyl and throw as many turbos and acc until it can finally keep up with a muscle car. muscle cars are 30 years old and dont use turbos yet they kill ricers. Only reason why i like my bmw is because it can turn. ricers are front wheel drive and are only use full for saveing gas. Last time i checked girls go for the guys in BMWs and Muscle cars not Hondas and Nissans. RICER FANS….STOP TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH V8s UR 2 CYL SHORT AND A WHOLE LOT UGLIER
April 14th, 2007 at 10:35 pm
Great car this mustang,you know,i am a great mustangmaniac and a i like specially the eleanor.Thanks and see ya.
April 15th, 2007 at 8:13 am
the day of the american power is dead you cant sell a single american car in japan jap power is here to stay.
April 15th, 2007 at 12:57 pm
From what little I know from American cars. Back in the days when the Mustang was first introduced, it’s a ‘little pony’, as many would term it as a secretary’s car…
Then came the inovator, Carol Shelby who was winning races with his Cobra’s. By the way the original car was manufactured in Britain and had a tiny engine. Shelby decided to put in an American V8 to spice that car up, hence the Cobra was born.
During the time, when Ferrari’s dominated the Le Mans races, it was the legend that started winning them with his little Cobra’s. The V8 being more reliable and more HP in a light weight car. ( Pretty similar to this Mustang huh?)
The point to my narrative is, what is the winning formula here is inovation. If a man decides to put in a better engine in another car and wins races. Is there any mistakes in that statement?
Nice car, with a nice engine and if it wins races like in the movies… what is wrong with that?
Without inovators we will be still living a caves and the wheel was never invented.
April 16th, 2007 at 9:02 pm
thats stupid chagers are better
April 17th, 2007 at 11:43 pm
Sounds like a hot debate going on, so here’s my 2 cents worth. I am a die hard Ford fan that owns a 393 (stroked 351). It makes good power for what I use it for, (1969 Fastback Mustang). Trouble is, they are expensive to do right, ($7000 – $9000+) and that’s for a 351W. It is hard to find original FE engines and when you do find them they ain’t cheap. I had the money to build what I wanted. I don’t doubt that I could have build a Japanese engine cheaper, but modifing motor mounts and electronics issues would have bumped up the price and man hours involved. I myself think the car in question looks killer with the hood down. With the hood up, I can appreciate the custom execution of the work involved, American, Japanese or whatever. What I see is art. If my kid built a car like that on his/her own, on a “real world” budget, I would be beyond proud. Cars are something I can relate to. Look at the machine as an extension of the owner and don’t worry about the nationality of the parts.
April 20th, 2007 at 11:57 pm
nice car man thts the same mustang off of the movie tokyo drift with a nissan racing engine in it….
April 24th, 2007 at 5:15 pm
this goes out to robert and all those other dumbass ricers that leave those stupid ass comments. One I would like to say that there is no way in gods green earth that a tt supra can come within pissing distance of a busa. For your information next time you start running your mouth off about shit you don`t know about, JAP RICE ENGINES CAN NOT PUT DOWN THE AMOUNT OF TORQUE A V8 CAN. You go get your honda civic nissian what ever and I get my camaro Z28 and I will mop the floor with you and your piece of shit rice burning car all day and day from light to light. Oh yeah and why don`t you pull your head out of your ass you dumb fuck your just another stupid ricer being had by those japs. I bet you could hear my car at 6000rpm over your car at 9000rpm. P.S. Camaro and Mustangs eat rice.
April 24th, 2007 at 5:19 pm
Show me a import that makes you look at the sky when you stomp the throttle and i will show you a hundred american muscle cars that can.
April 25th, 2007 at 4:40 am
Mustang is American Muscle why would they put a @#$@# rice Engine in it..if anything they should of put a big block 429.. muscle cars dont drift..its all about stright aways.
April 26th, 2007 at 6:53 am
guys your beating a dead horse! Ive got a 65 gto yes it is going to be built to handle, but enjoy each side for what it is domestic or import. it dosent matter what you have, as long as your having a good time making it fast. Import guys and domestic guys are both trying to do the same thing go fast, wether its 1/4 mile or road race it dosent matter. Now one question I have to ask for the younger crowd that claims they love american muscle, would you rather have a GSXR 1000 or a Buell?
HMMMM think on that
but Im not against either side, and yes v8s can make power http://www.Nelsonracingengines.com
April 26th, 2007 at 9:21 am
what a waste of a good engine…lol… Bare bones about it the, reason all the old fogies chose the musle cars its because in there time it was the coolest shit avalable. Set the two cars in question ( 1968 mustang & r34 nissan skyline gt-r ) on the same 1968 showroom floor and pick the car that would become a classic…………both of them !@@#$%$. Whats the diff, vintage classic,………or modern classic. modern becomes vintage. Honestly its all about passion for cars.
dear Cold Bastard,
Your a egotistical, closed mined, biggot. but thats ok because your prob. 70 y.o. and drive a 93 plymouth mini van, destened to die alone in this world except for your dreams of the cars of your youth that you could never achieve. Your words are spoker with malice and contempt. …………… R.I.P. you old Fart!
sincerly,
a Colder Bastard
April 26th, 2007 at 10:57 am
It doesnt matter what engine it has. Its just a car. And it was made to follow the moviescript. V8s may be bigger and more powerful but the japanese engines are still more reliable, better fuel economy and can be tuned more.
May 1st, 2007 at 2:53 am
How dare someone mess with such an awsome piece of art! It is like hacking on the Mona Lisa!
A RICE BURNING ENGINE? Give Me a BREAK.
May 2nd, 2007 at 7:18 am
So… As I sit here and read this I am in complete aw. First off I would like to touch base one the timeless thing. I personally own a 92 fox body mustang that I did this swap into. Best decision ever the car is more far more reliable now, more power than the 5.0L I took out and I have more “old guys” in cameros, Vetts, classic mustangs, GTOs coming up to me and saying how cool it is. The body is timeless the styling is the soul of the car not the motor. Sure you can go on and on but no one side is right or wrong. Also my baby is a 72′ skyline. I personally restored the car from the ground up. And before you go making assumptions, I live in Idaho born and breed American. I do agree I love the sound of a big ol’ camed out big block, but on the same note when I hear the twin turbos on my 26DETT under the hood of my fox body… well. My friend have a 9.0 second 92′ Sonoma GT spent about 35,000 on the truck to get it to go that fast and stay together. I love hearing the LS1 roar down the track. I think what I’m trying to get at is it is all what you like. I could of just as easily spent the money on the 5.0L that came with the car, but I wanted to try something new and it worked. Sure my friends gave me crap for a little while but my friend who drives a 69′ Camero SS stops to fuel up and gets like 15 mpg and is at the three hundred bhp mark, and I fill up and get like 25mpg and have like 320 bhp he gets kinda mad. Oh. and whoever says that a 72′ Skyline is not a classic is well I don’t know.
May 2nd, 2007 at 7:26 am
P.S. I forgot to say I do have one big block: 88′ FI 454 coupled to a turboglide 400 GM three speed with a shift kit making 450 bhp, it is in a 88′ 3/4 ton dually (yes dually) Suburban. so there also it gets about 9 mph or 4…. I am planning to put a supercharger on it but that is going to be about $6,000 by the time is is all said and done.
May 3rd, 2007 at 1:00 am
the engine that is put in the mustang on f&f3, is a r34 gtr engine, not a r32/r33 engine
May 5th, 2007 at 5:09 pm
i see that the rb26dett look better in my nissan sentra to make it a rwd car, my dad said its better than a 289 302 351 cleveland 390 427 428 429, i saw the movie the fast and the furious 3 i just did not like it a nissan inline 6 rb26dett in a mustang its not cool
May 5th, 2007 at 5:21 pm
hey tht is the car off of tokyo drift and in the pic u can see the 350zs in the end of the pi c…..
May 7th, 2007 at 9:47 pm
the rb is the perfect engine for this car. i think crossbreeding is cool and unique. i would love to see a nissan with a nice 427 in it.
May 9th, 2007 at 5:10 pm
this is for the “Evil” guy that commented about how 15 to 20 year olds migh think it’s cool. I am 17 years old and drive a ‘72 Nova with a 383 stroker that i built! i think ricers are the shit stain on the underwear of the world and just because i’m young doesnt mean i don’t like muscle cars. i grew up around around classic mopar and bowtie cars and i wouldn’t drive anything else. but i do agree with you on the subject of whats wrong with a 289, 302, or 390. and i totally understand the thing about them not being able to keep up. I used to think that the subaru STI’s were the coolest and fastest car for the money, thats until iraced one froma dead stop to about 125-130mph and my nova and i had him and his little ricer for lunch. it was classic.
May 9th, 2007 at 5:41 pm
you ricer fags are so lazy. all you do is go out and buy a brand new car, buy bolt on products and have a shop install everything and then tell everyone you built it. Or you’ll go out and buy a fart can big enough for d10 catepillar and slide it onto your stock exhaust pipe then go find the biggest stupidest rims on the market slap them on and call it custom, and race around and rev up your misquito shit engines at v8’s who will waste you half-gasing it the hole way. i see it everywhere don’t try to deny it, I have lots of experiance building cars from the ground up, and then driving around showing you little metric wrench turning pussy’s what real American Muscle is. see you on the road
-1972 Nova- 383 stroker-bored .30 over-edelbrock 650Cfm double pumper carb.-airgap intake manifold- roller rockers-202 camel hump heads-headman headders-260 275 hydraulic roller cam- roller lifters- dished pistons-hardened connecting rods-x-pipe exhaust- turbo mufflers-and 373 Moser Posi rearend- 315 mickey thompson tires. GO AHEAD I DARE YOU TO REV UP YOUR LITTLE V-TEC PILE YOU CALL A CAR.
May 9th, 2007 at 6:34 pm
ya not much of a tuner fan and this was a disgrace to any kina muscle car to put a nissan motor in anything is like sporting the rainbow and yelling gay pride everywhere the only thing that made this even remotley kool was the twin turbo!
May 9th, 2007 at 6:40 pm
i like what one person said thats like putting a brigs in a ferie. thats a horribel waste of one of the best cars ever built. put a 351 windors or clevlin or some thing along thoes lings eveny a 302 but never a nissan motor that make me sick to my stomach. just lime when people wast fords by puting chevys in them sure there are more chevy motors and there cheeper to build but dont be cheep spend the money and put a ford motor where it belongs in a ford. keep the chevy junk in the cheveys dont michmatch
May 10th, 2007 at 9:13 pm
you do know that the actual Mustang that they shot the movie with was a ford…460 I believe that RB26 was just for show.
May 11th, 2007 at 7:56 am
Everyone keeps saying that it makes them sick to see a Nissan motor in a Classic car but what makes me sick is seeing a piece of SHIT FORD MUSTANG built around one of the BEST motors made.
May 11th, 2007 at 7:58 am
Cry some more you fucken pussy’s that dont know anything about a real motor or car!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 11th, 2007 at 5:28 pm
ok ” allout racer” whst do you drive??? first of all chevy’s are not junk. What do you think is the one engine that racers,drag cars, and rock crawlers use over anything else. chevy 350. I have built,owned,raced,and sold many sbc’s (if your too dumb that means small block chevy’s) trust me they are the best engine you can buy for the money.
May 12th, 2007 at 8:26 am
muscle cars are like dinosours, they are BIG, POWERFULL, and ruled the world for many years. and just the same will be forced to die compleatly out to make room for smaller, more efficiant, and better desinged creations. where will you knuckle draging hasbeens be when government emission laws park your planet killers and us “RICERS” are still running down your block with our big honkin radios and our loud “FART CANS” as so many have put it. you know what i do like about old muscle cars, is when you crush one, you have enough steel to build two imports, thats a good feeling in my heart. I want to say WHATS UP to all RX7 fans, Im a proud owner of two first gen rotory babes, the only real cost to keep em flying is TIRES. And I wouldent trade them for all the junk ass chevys in the world. pass your ass later
May 16th, 2007 at 4:44 pm
this is for JR. You are right muscle cars are like dinosaurs in the sense that they are big powerful and ruled the world for many years, in fact that is still happening today. Do you really think muscle cars will ever die off? Why do you think Ford retroed the mustang and Dodge is putting out a retro challlenger and chevy is putting out a brand new retro camaro. The older muscle cars might get more rare but they will never die off. And youmentioned that you will still be around with your big radios and fartcans? exactly thats all you have done to your lil wanna be muscle rotary pile isn’t it? don’t try to lie and throw a bunch a bull shit big shot names and brands at me, trying to lie and say you have a bunch of performance stuff or throw out track times, because your just full of crap.period.
May 17th, 2007 at 8:51 am
ashes to ashes, dust to dust, if not for fords and chevys, my tools would rust.
I belive it was a ‘nova’ you discribed in a previous post josh. you acualy have an impressive mod list. But the only big shot namebrand I need to throw around is “MAZDA MOTORS”. I happen to enjoy fast street cars, as apposed to a stroker that you most likly trailer to the track, 1 because its not highway freindly, and 2 because it will probly need towed off the track. And as far as your new retro rides, you might note that your ‘DOMESTIC AUTO MAKERS’ gave up long ago on american built motors, most if not all now use one form or another of an imported powerplant Dodge = Mits, Chevy=Susuki, Ford= Mazda, why do they do this, because they are less expensive and more reliable. And what dosent come from mexico or canada comes from china, that says alot for your retro rods. in fact my clasic rotary powerd dream machine is compleatly stock, and ive probly got less in the whole car than youve got in your block work. With the work youve done to your car and drivetrain i know as well as you, it would smoke my rx. but if your nova was as bone stock to original as my rx we both know who would be in the lead, but with that in mind my, other rx is in line to receive a second gen turbo with a small shot of juice, just for keeping the local muscle on its toes. And dont forget, we are both gear heads, we just use differant tools, thats all.
May 17th, 2007 at 6:27 pm
ok for one my car is very highway friendly.I drive it to work, school, and on dates with my gf. its the only car i have and i use it everywhere I go. number two, i have driven it to the drags ran flat 13’s and drove home and it was fine. I have driven out to the autocross track kept up with turbo’d 350z and set record numbers and then drove me and my girlfriend on a date. So don’t tell me it’s a trailer queen. I drive it to shows and EVERYWHERE else! and in the 70’s the 350 block completely stock was pushing 275 horsepower. BONE STOCK. so no you would not be in the lead against a stock nova but good try. and we don’t just use different tools, we are too very different people with very different opinions.
May 17th, 2007 at 6:29 pm
ok i will retract one thing from my last comment, your right we are both gearheads that use different wrenches.sry
May 18th, 2007 at 8:03 am
well josh you must have a very well balenced set up, to race, and daily drive it. impressive for a young wrencher. and, so you understand I am not all that differant in a sence. See, i am partial mostly to my imports, but i also own a rather rust free 84 T top Cuttlass Calais which is sadly torn down, 455 and all, due to a fucking deer at around 75 mph. But for your hp rating from the 70s, youve got to remember the power to weight ratios involved. I may only have half the ponies, but ive got only a 3rd of the weight to move, and that makes a world of differance, in the strait race, and improves my odds even more in a curvy situation, such as open road. But, as you said, thats my opinion, and im sure youve got yours, cant wait to hear it, or read it rather. And what ever you do, do not refer to an OLDSMOBILE as a chevy, they may all be the same now, but the ones that count, are nothing of the same bread, im sure you agree.
May 21st, 2007 at 5:44 pm
O.K. I will admit you are right about the stock rx-7 and Nova race, I have a bout 2800lbs to move and you probably have about, What? like 1700? anyway, i can clearly see that you are not just some other punk with a fart can, and rims. you sound like you know what you are talking about and I actually do like rx-7’s. Do you live in California? possibly redding? I would love to race. I don’t know if it was you or someone else that said, that old muscle cars are boats with too much weight and can’t take a corner. Was that you? If it was I would just like to tell you that I have Front and Rear 1.5 inch sway bars, Tubular a-Arms and Enkei Control Arms. with 60 series Toyo tires all around, My NOva feels like it is cemented to the road around corners. thats if it was you.
May 27th, 2007 at 5:38 am
I made no such coment josh, my olds on 295/50s took 90 degree corners at better than 60 mph, on high jaker springs no less. And I know there is a little rx-7 fan in everybody. if you’ve got a big enough fuel cell to get to the corn state, id line up, just so you could tell a good win story to your buddys. remember, ‘IM STOCK’. And as far as cornering “DOSE YOUR MOTHER KNOW YOU DRIVE LIKE THAT”. Lifes to short, be carfull man, you cant wrench in the ground.
May 27th, 2007 at 5:59 am
just to add to your cornering muscle consept, look what was done with the nissan powerd stang this artical started with, big power, less weight, was the plan in the powerplant. and a little attention to rolling stock, and suspension function, a short buss could be made to handle like its on rails. but thats alot of work, exactly why ive got to lean more to the cars designed with all this in mind, ‘IMPORTS’, plus my 82 rx ive had for 10 years, it is also what i learned to drive in, you just cat replace that kind of love.
May 28th, 2007 at 9:04 pm
wow, that comment you left that said life is short and that you can’t wrench in the ground really hit me. Thanks you prolly just saved my life. thx. and i know wat u mean about the first car thing, because my first car was a 1977 maverick piss yellow on the outside and avacado green on the inside and i beat the crap out of it but it never ever broke down, and i was so embarassed to drive it but, the day i sold it I stood there and talked to it for about 20 minutes and i almost teared up. i still miss her she was such a good car. unreplaceable. I don’t know it seems like without cars i wouldn’t really have a purpose in life. CHEVY AND MAZDA WRENCHERS FOREVER.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:44 pm
cars are the same as family, depending on what you come from, they are some times your only dependable family. just remember if something is your life, dont let it take your life. ive come too close a couple of times, ive acualy slowed down a lot with age. and just as a poke, ‘chevy only comes before mazda’ in the alfabit.
And as luck would have it i found new intrest in my olds, it is in the shop now, but not sure wether to re bigblock it, or just a mild small block application, whatever i do you can be sure it wont be a chevy, i just cant bring my self to go with the flow, i feel the need to be difficult, rotaries, and rockets, just gota love em. just a thought, when i burnt my first rotary up with plane fuel, i did the math, and my 455 would fit very nicly in my first gen rx7, now that would be power to weight suicide. and just so you know, there is nothing wrong with the maverick, a good freind of mine that i lost years ago, had one with one of the baddest 390s ive ever seen in it. we got a mile from his house on a test run, and i thought about walking back, and im not much for walking to the car. but, may he rest in peace.
May 30th, 2007 at 2:44 am
this is obviously a very important subject with us car guys and it should be, tuner(rice)vs. muscle. and if you ask me muscle is superior,its one of those patriotic things i like things from my country. and if you dont well thats okay. but what im wondering is when are the tuner guys going to stop bitching at the muscle guys for being patriotic. when are people going to pull their head out of honda’s a$$ and realize yoiur truck doesn’t need a trunk,if you want a trunk buy a car,when are people going to realize that dodge avengers get the same mileage as a toyota camry . why can’t people appreciate our muscle cars or big trucks instead of saying,oohh redneck.i’ll make a deal if tuner guys stop bitching at me because they have a lot less displacement,i’ll stop bugging them.
May 30th, 2007 at 8:27 am
tell ya what MOPAR, I am a tuner fan, but i also respect real american muscle. the problem is they dont make it anymore and havent for years. As I am sure you know,but wont admit, all most all of your modern DOMESTIC vehicles are 90 percent imported in one way or another, I dont care who they are, and thats just how it is. they do this because imported componants are less expensive and more reliable, but they waste the effort by skimping, on quality of workmanship, and materials that are home bred. Now dont get me wrong I am as american as it gets, but our labor force has goten lazy, and takes no pride in their work. They just go to work, do as little as possible, and get the hell out when the bell rings. why do think all the big corperations are hireing imagrants, its our own falt. so if you buy a car that was produced and built by peaple who take pride in their work and take time to do it right, you have a better end product. And as far as big trucks, if they did not all say redneck in big letters across the windshild, we wouldent call you redneck, and who realy gives a rats ass about dissplacement, for what you put into rust repair and resto parts just so your car can handle any real power, i can get just about 75 percent of the ponies out of a four banger, with twice the rev capabilities as you do with old school v8 blocks, and have less than half the total wheight to move, if you dont know, thats a good thing, means itll blow your doors loose from the bondo. and your avenger is a mitsubishi, and a very popular TUNER jackass
May 30th, 2007 at 5:12 pm
Wow Jr, I thought u were cool and then you just totally exploded on that mopar guy. guess I was wrong. And if you think that a sbc can rev as high as a ricer you’re prolly right cause their not made for that, they are made for low end torque and dragracing. Ricers are made for good gas mileage and long family trips. They are tons more efficient and are lighter but muscle car guys could care less about mpg, they are more concerned with wasting cocky ricers that pull up to them.
May 30th, 2007 at 6:50 pm
Im not concerned with mpg, a rotary has about the worst mpg rating you can get, not to mention the 455 ive got would pass everything but a gas station. I dont dissrespect muscle guys if they can simply voice their opinion without the trash talk, remember i appriciate old school I just dont like rednecks who dont know what they are talking about, but still run their yap using rice as a discription for something they just dont understand. and i do know all about rev and torque, every olds motor ive got is only good for 4.5 to 5 grand but can twist the frame from 2000 up.and ive had several types of imports crxs,3oozs,rx7s, none of which were family cars what with not havin any back seats and all. come on josh, he called an avenger american muscle, you should see where I stood with that guy, if he was a real mopar fan he would want a cuda, or an old satilite, anything but an avenger. thats just unamerican. And as far as sbc reving I built one two years ago for a hobby stock that held 7 to 8 grand all season but it was useless for driving in and out of the shop, my rotarys have a 7 grand redline out of the box and can drive smoothly down the street at 1500 rpm, remember fast street cars are more fun than race cars that are just barely street legal, but I do enjoy seeing them out and about, and admireing the work and love peaple put into the old rides, remember we are all car guys, we just take advantage of differant concepts to get the wheels roling under our feet, love one and respect the other, we can all see eye to eye, be a prick and Ill tell you how it is, and dont forget how you guys are building your powerplants and drivelines to be competitive rase cars so that you can waste all of the RICERS that are sitting stock. PEACE!!!!
May 31st, 2007 at 5:27 pm
yeah you are right abou that mopar guy, a real fan would of wanted a cuda or satellite, but You said all you “ricers” sitting stock, thats exactly what i’m tired of is al these cocky lil fagots around here with HONDA CIVICS with an exhaust TIP and Rims that think they can waste anything. I don’t however have a problem with datsuns, nissans or mazdas that can keep up with their mouth. IDK I’m just tired of all these people that “movie syndrome” where they think that they can say that their Honda runs 13’s or even 12’s and its stock. It just makes me mad that they can’t just man up and say that its not that fast or actually race it and try to improve their times. Example: I went out to the drags and raced my brother because he thought his 1964 1/2 mustang witha 289 and 4-speed could beat the nova so we raced and ran like a 15.5 or 16 and I woas still real consistent with my 13.5 and 14’s and I saw a CRX hatchback out there that was running like 9’s and 10’s it awesome. I’ve never seen a honda or any new car that fast before. By the way “RICER” is not a derogatory term it’s just what muscle guys call honda’s and pretty much anything from Japan. OH yeah and MOPAR you’re a DUMBASS!!
May 31st, 2007 at 8:05 pm
Thanks for the support josh, hope you know ive got you back
May 31st, 2007 at 8:41 pm
Just to add, I do understand what your saying about big talkers an little walkers, a lot of them say they can run low times and high mphs but wont race my rxs or my olds, hell they wont even run against my little girl on her bike, cause they know the aint got shit. but they all saw fast and the furious and wana talk like they are a big dog. But we know they still need their mommys nipple, but its not their fault their stupid, it natures. PEACE
June 6th, 2007 at 2:11 am
this car did exactly what it was meant to do. . . . bring together two different racing worlds together in an impressive manner. The movie is about an american street racer moving to japan and learning about their drift scene. The Nissan Skyline is the hottest car out of japan and the mustang started the muscle car movement in america.
I like it.
June 6th, 2007 at 5:52 am
i know this post is old but its funny reading through all the stuff people write. I can see that in the land of muscle cars its a very heated topic. we have a similar conflict here in Aus in that traditional Aussie (its pronounced ozzy) cars are pushrod V8s however luckily for us being right hand drivers we actually got the R32 version of the GTR. i love cars in general and i will say that given the choice i would take neither a V8 or a hi tech turbo car instead i’d be running an electric engine in an oversized go kart.
Anyway without taking either side i’d like to say you go ricers with you tail pipes and 100kg rims and same for you hard heads driving big block saloons with sloppy suspension as us people who really know how to set up a car, be it a Nova, an RX7 or in my case a GTR, we dont want you in our club.
if everyone knew our secret it wouldn’t be so good to know it.
June 6th, 2007 at 3:20 pm
This is for right hand drive, You know I just love the people that come on here thinking they know everything about everything,like you. for one Big blocks are not that popular among muscle cars, for instance in my sbc 350 I can turn alot more horsepower than almost any big block out there, their just unnececary weight and take up space. and for 2 if there is one thing my car isn’t it’s sloppy. I’ll admit, that if it were stock it would float everywhere but I have Einkei Control and A-Arms, 1.5 inch front and back sway bars, and coilover shocks. but good try you ozzy bastard.
June 7th, 2007 at 7:37 am
Josh: i figured as much from reading your post. i wasn’t referring to you or your car when i said big block saloons with sloppy suspension i referring to the other extreme from ‘ricers’ as in muscle fans who think they know it al and have seen it all and wont take any of the alternative.
i can see you’ve got a well set up car. i’m actually a fan of the nova. small well balanced car and if i had to have a push rod V8 it would be a choice between a 350 chev and 351 clevo.
what i was saying was us people who have performance as a goal, not to belong to some a tribe or faction of car owners – ricers, import owners,muscle car owners, rodders etc. – are happy in the knowledge that our machine does what it was built for – performance – and does it well.
Over here you get a whole lotta people who just went out and bout a new V8 saloon (holden commodore – uses an LS2) and talk about no replacement for displacement and so on. now dont get me wrong i’m not dissing ls2’s i’m just saying that in a 1700KG RWD sedan its no good. but the owners wont have a bit of it. and if your quicker on the track in your import they just refuse to talk to you caus they dont want to admit it.
sadly also on the other side of the argument FWD honda owners some how think they’re affliated with hi-po import owners caus their car is jap. FUCK OFF! stop nodding and smiling at me at the light like we’re related. i hate ricers. hate hate hate hate. i hate fast n the furious its a total bunch of crap. i would never build a car solely or primarily for looks. if the go dont match the show you’ve wasted your money. no matter what it is.
anyway getting off the track. i was in fact commending you josh, not insulting. and my point remains. let idiots do what idiots do. let them believe what they want to believe. if you try to change the way they think, and you succeed, then you’ll have a bunch of idiots driving nova’s, and thats not what you want right?
June 7th, 2007 at 5:19 pm
I belive right hand drive sounds like the only other man in the world who thinks like me. LOVE ONE, RESPECT THE OTHER, and if you aint got the balls to run your ride against mine than DONT RUN YOUR MOUTH. I realy like that, and thats something i dont understand either, is why kids put body kits and wings, on DX Hondas, with no attention to driveline or powerplant, And they think they have a race car. But i do kinda like the face they make when i blow the fancy shit off their cars in a compleatly stock RX7, I dont even have after market wheels, just a little air in and air out tunning. But truth be known if I cant out run someone my buddy here has a rat ride nova with all the old school shit, doul 750 dubble pumpers on a tunnle ram, the old dubble hump heads, and he wont tell me whats inside, but it scary fucking fast. And i know hed blow the paint off my rx in a stait line, but hes all stock on the underside, so he knows ive got him on open road, See, we can just be car guys without the shit talk, cause we can man up and admit our lows and highs of what our rides are capable of, and respect the other for what his ride can do. See where I live we like fast cars, We dont care who built it, we just like how their built.And josh, your right about big blocks, too big and heavy so I bought an old 350 rocket for my cutty, wont be that fast, but will be nastalgic. PEACE
June 7th, 2007 at 10:04 pm
Well for all you import guys that are trying to compare a skyline to a mustang you really cant……… the skyline is the top of import cars ….the best of the best…..so it would only be natural if you compared it to the best of the best american car……if we want to talk about american muscle …lets talk corvette zo6…….8 cylinders, no fru fru crap, no twin turbo bullshit, just motor, power and speed….and by the way a nissan skyline is a ricer
June 11th, 2007 at 3:03 am
I just watched that you tube video at the top of the page and its funny that the RB powered stang even with the bigger huffer on it makes worse figures than a R32 GTR. 32’s factory figures were 0-100km (60miles) in 4.9 and high 12 sec quarters. if you jump in a stock one now it’ll still make those figures just some tweaking of the electronics.
talking about the look on peoples faces JR i actually have smashed a 60’s stang. it was a beautiful drop top one with american racer wheels, you know the old school deep dish ones with fat tyres. awesome car. i was behind the guy at the lights and he hadn’t seen them go green to turn so i beeped him and he immediatly dropped it smoking it round the corner and blasting away. i was rolling up to him in 2nd as he moved so i had nothing at all (my car is a lag master) and by the time i was round the corner he was at least 10 car lengths in front on me. still wound it out through second letting the screamer pipe rip and by the time i was almost redlining in 3rd i was passing him at about 40k’s above what ever he was doing with the screamer pipe blasting full noise through his open window. in that second i saw his face – dropped jaw, wide eyed, ‘what the fuck?’ expression on his face. and i bet he thought that skyline were ‘rice’ or jap crap as they’re called here but showed him his messiah was false and he was crushed. that was probably one of the most satisfying moments in my driving history.
just i’d share that with you all seeing its a sort of mustang v skyline thread. admittedly his car probably wasn’t built for performance, more likely it was simply restored for looks but he obviously thought it would still be faster that a skyline. sadly mistaken though.
also once had the pleasure of making a pass on a Z06 vette. the new 7litre ones. you dont see many of them over here and this one was a drop top in that classic yellow colour. i love the look of them they look like super cars. we were stuck in a bit of traffic just playing who can get ahead of who in peak hour, nothing serious. We got to a part where the one lane road turns into 2 and climbs and winds up this hill through a national park for about half a k (about .3 of a mile). he pulled out first and burned off. way faster than my laggy turbo set up but i caught him in the first bend locked onto his tail then simply picked a faster line through the next and muscled him out before it became on lane again.
so he might have been faster but he couldn’t push as hard as me through the bends. probably a combination of not being able to put all the power down through the turn and not wanting to damaged his new import. they would cost a bomb considering you have to convert them to RHD. i drive my car like its stolen.
good times.
one thing i would confidently say is that a bigger capacity engine will always have the upper hand on the quarter when it comes to stuff like pro stock and funny cars. the ability to combust bigger amounts of air/fuel mixtures in 8 cylinders cant be matched by turbos and high revs. oh and the superchargers help to. in sydney the local hero is the rat who pilots a holden monaro funny car coupe with a massive big block/blower set up making consistant 5 sec and high 4 sec passes. awesome to see.
June 11th, 2007 at 6:47 pm
wow this is really annoying post here i came looking for a nice mustang and what i found shocked me not the car but the people discussing it it puts me in a state of horror because i thought that this was a unique blend of Japanese mechanics with American styling i mean so what if they put a skyline engine in a mustang? i’ve for one seen worse and its not even at the point of the car anymore. everyone here gets into this stupid argument Japanese versus American cars and import against domestic they are just cars to say that people have their choice in which one they choose but there is no point in fighting like little children about it
June 11th, 2007 at 6:52 pm
and oh i also think some of you need to wake up and realize that just because some “ricer’ kids put junk on their cars does NOT mean every car from a certain country is “ricer” a skyline is not the perfect car it is a very strong running car just like a mustang and also a mustang isn’t the best American car so get over yourselves
June 11th, 2007 at 8:05 pm
stupid
June 14th, 2007 at 10:05 am
I wonder what happend to josh, hopefully he knows right hand drive sounds like a good guy, and wouldent hold a small missunderstanding against him. and Chris I share your opinion on the stang/skyline crossbreed. I happen to be a car lover nomatter what the make, Im just a little more partial to the imports, for out of the box looks and performance. Im a little confused with the last STUPID comment, not sure how that was ment to be dirrected. and the word ricer, i think is only ment to be implied, to an all show no go pretty boy car, usualy seen siting in a parking lot, rather than chasing down a reputation on the street, but i hate when it is directed at all import cars and owners, cause my daily driver is a first gen RX7, completly stock nothing fancy, I also have a project First gen RX7, and a T top cuttlass in the shop, so am i a ricer, or a muscle guy? I say Im a “CAR GUY”, who can see potential in any package. PEACE!!!!!!
June 18th, 2007 at 1:18 pm
I presonally think we should ask someone who isn’t or doesn’t side japanese cars or american cars and see who makes better cars
June 18th, 2007 at 5:15 pm
u guys that car looks so gay with that nissian motor it would look a hole lot better with a hemi in it big block dome shits!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
June 19th, 2007 at 5:40 pm
F*$# Ford! I have owned several Fords, great vehicle, just needs a better engine. Yeah, like in F&F3. Got a ranger now, its sitting waiting on a 350z to wreck. The engine fits!
Lets see here, an engine out of a 3600lb car installed in a 2300lb car, HMMM…..
You do the math.
All you people who say ricer this and ricer that, can lick my exhaust! The ranger, with ricer mods, (intake exhaust timing plugs wires, and nos) yeah runs a 11.2 quarter!
The 350z engine, after mods, we are looking to get down to a 9.3 quarter!
June 20th, 2007 at 9:34 am
Some peaple dont know the differance between ‘FAST’ and ‘QUICK’ . The traditional setup for the mustang in question would be big “CUBES” and low “GEARS” this is what makes a car “QUICK” rather than fast, meaning from a dead stop to top speed it would run a low time, “DRAG RACE”. But a small cube high RPM powerplant, capable of 600 hp, with mid range gears and tubo lag, is what you call “FAST” meaning 0-60 is good, but 60-150 is orgasmic “ROAD RACE”.
So it is obvious. the idea was traditional style, with the “FAST IDEA” instead of the boreing, and too usual, “QUICK CONCEPT” making it the only mustang worth having for a real performance braging right. I admit the rest are cool for what they are, but they just dont compare to this one. And DUSTY, the HEMI is the best, and most respected,V8 powerplant known to mankind, but it has no place in a unibody tincan like a mustang, you know as well as I, that it would twist like a bread tie, instant scrap steel!! I hope the bridge between the “NO REPLACEMENT FOR DISSPLACEMENT” crowd, and the real performance import crowd, not including the,” ALL SHOW NO GO” ricer crowd, can some day be able to see eye to eye, because we are all out for the same thing, THE LOVE AND JOY OF THE AUTOMOBILE, no matter what,breed or model,you may choose to drive, race, or show, we are all just “Car Guys and Gals” PEACE !!!!
June 22nd, 2007 at 4:03 pm
I think it looks very American for the very fact that it has a mixed heritage. why racist? is there such thing as “american race”? Mixing things is very american
I agree most american cars look better than most japanese cars of the same age , however is an engine really a part of car aesthetics? I dont think so..
Only a mechanical engineer can tell if an engine is beautiful or not. (And that is engineering beauty.. not for show) And I think they would aggree most modern japanese engines are indeed beautiful. Nissan engines like this one, SR and VQ are masterpieces.. Moving pieces are minimized, pistons fine polished, molibden coated.. Strong aluminum block.. Lasts for as many years as a Mercedes engine .. They are really beautiful from engineering point of view.. And yes they have style.. For example nissan is very minimalist .. unlike honda and some european brands.. And minimalism and perfection is Japanese soul just like mixing things and making noise is american soul. And as far as I am concerned the word Nissan means “Japanese make”.. it really is.. Consistency .. is style… what does Cadillac mean? Or Chevrolet? are there any Jaguars living in forests of England?
Japanese engine in american chasis does make sense.. Well in fact personally I dont like mustang’s (except for their name.. I like that).. but I love pontiac, chrysler, plymouth etc..in terms of shape.. One with japanese engine would be cool.
For Americans who think Japanese dont have soul.. They couldnt be funnier.. Japanese have nothing but soul.. They are living on a handful of ugly volcanic islands. In conditions worse than hawai, indonesia, fillipines, england, cuba etc etc.. And they became THIS.. You think they still eat just rice? They eat better things than you do.. I think there lies all the problem.. You want to be best in everything but American culture is too young for that, and the world is too big..
Best wishes from Turkey
To all automobile lovers
(and sorry for any grammar mistakes)
June 23rd, 2007 at 8:23 am
“Ahmet” You are the man ! I love the mix heritige point, afterall that is what AMERICA is supposed to be, “THE MELTING POT” I personaly come from a family line that moved here from Russia only 50 Years ago, if not for The American Dream, I would not be here. I drive RX7s I know allabout Japanese soul, but I also love the american rumble produced by my cutlass, All part of being an all around car guy, the love of FREEDOM,EXPRESSION,and PERSONALITY, Thats the American Dream. And I hope all of us remember to take a moment every day to appriciate and support our troops over seas fighting to protect the American Dream and the way of life we have come to love, but all too often take for granted. From one auto lover to the rest, PEACE!!!!
June 25th, 2007 at 5:36 pm
a few things to add to this important debate:
i absolutely despise these jap-crap tin cans: yes theyre fast but they lack passion and soul, the mustang is a really brilliant looking car with loads of style and character and it is completely sacreligeous that some idiot who is now worthy if being hung draw and quatered should put a piss-corner matchbox in it.
the person who said ”horsepower sells cars, torque wins races” was actually carol shelby! the creator of the cobra and the shelby mustangs and they are awesome cars.
these japanese tuna cans may be fast but theyre gay, fact! the lack of soul put in the making of jap cars means that the boffins at the factory can make high revving, short stroke engines really efficiently but they sound tinny and awful, and theyre just NOT COOL!!
finally; THERES NO REPLACEMENT FOR DISPLACEMENT!!
June 28th, 2007 at 3:30 am
THIS CAR IS MADE FOR A MOVIE AND THAT MOVIE IS THE FAST AND THE FURIOUS. You should all know that this isnt the only version also.. yes theres more than one rb powered mustang. and guess what? all for the same movie playing the exact same part. this is not a privatly owned car its a movie prop so stop bitching about the frankenstein like transplant on this forum. if you have a problem write a letter to whoever made that lame ass movie. but in my opinion the 2jz and RB26 are two of the best motors that you can put in a car to this day, not only are they reliable but they are capable of very impressive numbers and times down the 1320. ha and id like to see a mustang hang off the line with a gt-r skyline. i dont care how much horsepower the mustang has the skyline will beat it off the line. nothing better than awd. unless it has slicks.. but then its not street legal. haaha and those who say that jap cars suck. take a look at any car ever made by geo. HAHA
June 30th, 2007 at 12:48 pm
i think the nissan silvia engine with the turbo on F&F3 film and works perfectly so go fuck my exhuast so wounded
July 9th, 2007 at 10:16 pm
i feel the 22 rs dock valves would work alot better in this car! although ghost rider does have a good point on the enginges 77cc point inex. But lets all be honest here i think wed all prefer a the 1068 mustang gt 390 but with the new mods inlcuding 6by9s like…
July 11th, 2007 at 2:13 am
Wtf?? nissan sucks ass!
July 13th, 2007 at 2:17 am
wtf you put a fucken lil 6c in a eleanore wtf is wrong wit you thats tha stupidest thing ive seen well who ever did this slap urself seriously
July 20th, 2007 at 1:48 pm
the rb26 engine is from the gtr skylines. its a 2.6 twin turbo not a 2.5 single turbo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 21st, 2007 at 3:43 pm
check out a 1969 camaro zl1 rice boys, its all american, and its 585 ponies, back in the days when we looked a cubic inches not liters. no boost. Lets see do you want rumble or buzz? I think the real question is would you rather go to the drag strip in a tiger or a kitten. And Kids dont you even think about putting a Gtr against a c6 zo6 twin turbo 1100hp 1200 lbs tq stage 1. Sure in a drift your bad not 0-60, a stock ls7 is 3.7 without a turbo. and oh Its a pushrod engine.
July 30th, 2007 at 5:14 am
Why the f#@% would you even think about putting a jap-crap engine in a classic muscle car. Steve McQueen immortilised this car in bullit. You ricer bastards need to think, you could put a twin turbo in one of your little crap cars and it probably would be faster than a v8, but you need to think what if a Ford v8 had a turbo, it would fly.
Down here in New Zealand we have a ‘72 Ford Falcon XY GTHO with a 460 Cleveland v8 that has 1500 hp, and there are a couple of crazy ass Germans that have built a ‘64 AC Cobra with 1100 hp.
July 31st, 2007 at 4:06 am
Oh yeah one more thing, we have a drag meeting at meremere down here in new zealand. it puts v8s against ricers and the ricers get there arses kicked. For the last 2 years v8s have won like 45 to 7 or something like that. So you ricer f#@$ can shut you pieholes.
August 7th, 2007 at 9:40 am
ricers stay in tokyo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 9th, 2007 at 1:20 pm
GUYS ALL THE SCREAMING IS SILLY. AS LONG AS THEY DON’T PUT F-ING CHEVY MOTORS IN FORDS I’M OK. AND THE TORQUE VERSUS HORSEPOWER DEBATE IS TRUE YET FALSE! HORSEPOWER AND TORQUE ARE JUST TWO WAYS OF MEASURING THE SAME THING! LET’S CALL IT TORQUE POWER!
THAT IS WHY IF YOU NOTICE THERE IS A POINT IN EVERY POWER GRAPH WHERE THE TWO ARE THE SAME! THEY CONVERGE AT A POINT.I FORGET BUT IT IS AROUND 4,400 RPM. I BELIEVE IF MY OLD MEMORY SERVES THAT IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE NUMBER OF CYLINDERS. THE CONVERGENCE POINT ON A 6 WOULD BE IN A DIFFERENT PLACE BUT STILL THERE. AGAIN THEY MEASURE THE SAME THING ONLY USING DIFFERENT FORMULAE! BUT TORQUE NUMBERS COME IN LOWER ANDF USUALLY LAST LONGER IN WINNING MOTORS.
August 14th, 2007 at 8:46 am
I came here to look at some sweet cars, but what do i find?! A BUNCH OF WANKERS ARGUING OVER POINTLESS CRAP! i happen to drive a japanese car, a 2006 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX GT Saloon. Do i see Yank tanks dominating the WRC? no. Do i see american cars dominate the local rallys? no. its all done with evos and WRX’s. Japanese cars have soul. I wouldnt drive the evo if it wasnt a nice car to look at and drive, now would i? no. im not biased, but people who think japanese cars are crap should go suck their mothers left one. and to anybody who thinks anything out of japan is crap: your TV’s, Computer bits, laptops and phones to name a few. if you dont like japanese phones, buy a frickin sagem (ppft. crappy.) or something, but you wont have the reliability or the charm of the japanese product. to japanese car haters: SUCK A FUCKING LIVE GRENADE WITH THE PIN PULLED OUT, DICKHEADS!
August 16th, 2007 at 1:33 am
American car suck hairy balls, they dont hold value and can only go in a straight line, not practical for shit. That is one badass car just because of that engine. The Skyline is the king of all cars.
All these that call them rice are fat bastards that think American is better, they have never stepped foot in a fast import car otherwise they would think different. I myself will never buy an American piece of crap in my life. Foreign FTW Assholes
August 16th, 2007 at 8:49 pm
I can understand why muscle car lovers would be upset about this Nisstang. It’s like an antique collector who would be upset to see an old clock dated back in the late 1800s and somebody cut a hole in an antique clock for a current digital clock made in china just so they could see it better. Yes it would be worthless and have no soul. There are not very many classic cars out there anymore and it would be a waste just to put a Nissan motor in it. There is nothing we can do about it, its their money and their time.
There are a few Japanese cars with an American V8. A Miata with a Mustang engine… It may not have a soul, it may be worthless, but hell it will be faster and fun to drive! http://www.monstermiata.com/
The new Camaro is around the corner and the Challenger will be out next year. It’ll be nice to be able to see those back on the street again. There is now a new E85 Dodge Viper with 1100 HP http://www.e85viper.com/ Also are the new Supra coming back with a V8? (some say its true, some say its not) Don’t forget, the later Land Cruisers has been around with a V8 too.
yeah yeah I wonder why.
Rice is ok but I like beef.
August 18th, 2007 at 6:37 am
Real men drive classic beetles. End of story.
August 23rd, 2007 at 1:15 am
I have came across a name for all cars like this and I will be the first ta say its the greatest thing to happen to the car scene since the 86 corolla. this car should be forever know as a “tuscle” car half tuner/half muscle. what betta way to join 2 diff generations of car inthusiasts
August 23rd, 2007 at 10:36 pm
I’m on the fence on this issue as i am a huge hot rod fan but also have a 1952 morris minor that have a converted to mr2 engine and corolla 5 speed. I love v8s but respect japaniese design. No one can argue though that displacement will always rule supreme regardless of technology. You arent going to get a skyline powered race car to run mid to low 4’s. Only 500+ cid v8s are going to make big numbers (6-7 thousand horsepower).
September 4th, 2007 at 6:16 pm
EVERYBODY WITH A RICER WHO ONLY PAYS ATTENTION TO COSMETICS AND HOW LOUD THEY CAN GET THEIR FART CAN TO GO IS A POSER. STOCK HONDA CIVICS WITH A FARRT CANA ND SOME BODY KITS ARE NOT FAST!!!! THEY ARE LOUD,OBNOXIOUS, AND MAINLY JUST GUTLESS. IF YOU SEE ME IN MY NOVA ON THE STREET I DARE YOU TO ROLL UP ON ME. I HAVE RACED DOZENS OF HONDAS THAT BRAG OF LOW TRACK TIMES AND SOMEHOW EVERY SINGLE ONE THEM IS LEFT AT THE STOPLIGHT THE SECOND THE LIGHT TURNS. jUST REMEMBER ALL YOU POSING RICER FAGS, THE BULLSHIT STOPS WHEN THE LIGHT DROPS.
September 8th, 2007 at 1:07 am
Hi
Looks good! Keep up the great work. It very impressive. Thanks!
G’night
September 8th, 2007 at 8:18 pm
I know everyone is mad about it not being a big v8 and sure it doenst sound as sick as a 302 or a 428. But the nissan skyline rb26 could walk any small block or big block ford. the only thing done to that motor was the single turbo swap. if you built it and did eagle rods and cp pistons and some head work and a bigger turbo it could could easy make 900 to a 1000 horse whp. the fastest street legal skyline runs 7.82 in a quarter mile. and im sure that as soon as a mustang hooked up it would out run a v8. My skyline will walk a stage 3 roush, and a 2007 zo6. and almost anything around without a bunch of money in it. a skyline will eat a lambo for breakfast with very little work
September 11th, 2007 at 1:07 am
you know all these people are dissing how a mustangs got a rb in the hood with rice rims and phat exast hangen out the back i think its a change how many mustangs do you see half jap half muscle who evr actully watched the movie THERE IN FUCKING JAPAN DUM SHITS!!!!!!!!! there not going to fucken put a v8 in the movie its a about drifting!
chris
September 15th, 2007 at 10:04 am
hahaha a R32 GTR skyline has beaten v8s before that is why they banned them from Bathurst in australia. oh and RB26 engine normally run two turbos not one and are not in GTS skylines they are in GTRs as the GTS is a none turbo model of skyline.
September 27th, 2007 at 4:18 am
It’s funny reading all the arguments in the comments on this page, especially the ricer versus muscle ones. I happen to like old cars the most but I pretty much like all cars. Classic mustangs happen to be way high on my list, especially fastbacks. I personally would never even think about putting a skyline motor in one, if I were able to own this one I would definitely sell the motor and put a small block ford in it. Small block fords are great motors and definitely among my favorites I have 4 cars powered by what is essentially the same motor in vastly different automobiles. The same basic engine that powers my 67 mustang is essentially the same thing that powers my 87 full size 6000 lb. hulk of a Bronco and ain’t a whole lot different than the motor in a newer 5.0 Mustang Cobra. The motor does what it was designed to do pretty damn well and has been doing so for over 40 years but they’re not the best engine ever built.
That said skylines also are pretty cool cars with pretty cool power trains but it’s not the end all best engine ever built either and by no means the most “tuneable”. The funniest things in these arguments are people arguing about high tech versus low tech and power to weight ratio this versus big displacement that. What exactly is so high tech about a skyline motor? Or any internal combustion engine no matter where it comes from for that matter? Other than electronics and manufacturing techniques car engines haven’t changed a whole lot since the 50’s. Don’t get me wrong modern cars are vastly superior than older cars when it comes to handling, safety and just plain drivability but whenever an import supporter argues with a domestic supporter they always argue about old dinosaur v8’s.
An inline 6 with a turbocharger isn’t a new concept by any stretch of the imagination. A whole lot of WWII fighter planes all used turbo charged internal combustion engines as have a whole lot of cars from all over the globe. A turbocharged pancake motor like a Porsche 911 wow ain’t a whole lot different than a turbo powered 60’s Corvair. There are a whole lot of cars from the 20’s and probably even older that ran inline 6’s and Turbo chargers have been around since at least the 20’s. The Nissan motor in this Mustang might have great internal components that make it have great power making potential but it ain’t hight tech.
Variable valve timing has been around since the 60’s as well, all the little vtech worshipping ricers, and yeah I mean the ones with the giant wing powered primered civics covered in R stickers that think it’s the newest, hottest thing that’s gonna give them 2000 horse power, it ain’t. It does make it pretty cool to be able to idle smoothly at low rpm and still have a more aggressive cam profile for higher rpm power though. And that whole high tech rotary BS, it’s still a design from the 50’s.
Check out an Offy motor if you never heard of one. They’re pretty bad ass. Small displacement inline 4 with overhead cams and many were even turbocharged and supercharged. I’ve heard of some putting out around and maybe even more than a 1000 horsepower. They ruled Indy and a lot of other racing for nearly 30 maybe 40 years, until sometime in the mid 60’s when Ford came along with a rather small displacement twin over head cam v8 that was basically the same small block ford motor I mentioned above with different heads. Those who think the Skyline motor is the most “tuneable” motor ever really need to learn something about engines period.
And this whole heavy ass domestic thing is just pure BS. I have a friend with a Honda s2000, it’s really quite a car. Supposedly it puts out something like 400 horsepower all in a pretty small car with a listed curb weight of 2850 lbs. The Mustang from this post however had a listed curb weight of anywhere from 2600 to 3000 lbs. and could have been had with any number of engine combos that could have easily put out just as much if not more horsepower as my friends s2000 with not a whole lot of difference in weight.
And if anything is a dinosaur of a design based upon the number of cylinders and the configuration they’re in it would have to be the inline 6 considering the v8 is at least a couple of decades newer design wise. I would also venture to say that it is v8’s and not inline 6’s that could be found in the most high tech engines in the world considering I don’t think there has been an inline 6 in an F1 car in quite a long ass time.
Taking into consideration my friends s2000 again it is pretty bad ass, it red lines at something like 10,000 rpm and has all forged internals. Because it’s not a pushrod engine it can rev that high pretty reliably. Then again Nascar pushrod v8’s can turn 9000 + rpm for a whole weekend worth of qualifying, practicing and racing and can turn that kind of rpm probably a hell of a lot more reliably than my friends Honda but his Honda wasn’t designed to be abused in that way either. Cars are cars and no matter where they were built they can only do so much well. I’ve seen a lot of really high horse powered Supras that run crazy fast trap speeds proving they make big ass horsepower get spanked by mustangs with far less horsepower and slower trap speeds but with a quicker et. If you’re looking to run 9’s in the quarter there are a hell of a lot of shit boxes from any number of manufacturers that will hand your car its ass on a road course and visa versa. There are also a lot of vintage trans am race cars that still race that would smoke a lot of modern imports on any road course, just as there are a lot of imports that would smoke a lot of domestics just as there are a lot of whatever that would smoke whatever on whatever. If you’re gonna argue about it at least get something other than a stereotype and BS as a point.
September 28th, 2007 at 1:39 am
Ok… I’ve read some stupid stuff in this crazy comment section and i’ve come to the conclusion that in the car world there will always be fan boys. Now granted i’m a tuner and i love my imports, but i respect the muscle heads. I actually loved mustangs years ago, and granted there are some years that i’d gladly own. Now when you take into consideration that this is not a traditional swap, there is nothing wrong with it. Cars take four wheels, a chassis, suspension and all that sort of thing, but most importantly a motor. A motor is not rice because it is Japanese. All of us have seen our share of “riced out” domestics. You know the ones, Euro tails, unaffiliated stickers, and Autozone “performance” mufflers. “Rice” is a lack of tuning knowledge which turns in to horrible looking cars. But as fas as the statement goes about Japanese cars not having soul have any of you muscle heads seen either one of these cars..
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/54/150662213_e5b1b26f77.jpg
http://users.tpg.com.au/celica23/toyota/ra25.jpg
The celica may look like a mustang but there is still plenty of soul in older Japanese cars. And let’s not fail to mention that many of the newer domestic companies are learning that all go, and nothing else leads to poor sales. People want more than pure power… So, appreciate the workmanship in the car.. It’s an awesome chassis with an awesome (and very capable) motor in it..
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:16 pm
why the f*** did the owner put a nissan engine in a f***in mustang
is this motherf***er dumb???
October 7th, 2007 at 12:48 am
all you people that were sayin its a disgrace to put one in a mustang. it is because noone wants to see an amazing engine be put into such a pos. and do your research the rb26 finely tuned against a finely tuned v8 vill dominate
October 7th, 2007 at 6:27 pm
i dont think this argument will ever end
both japaneese and american cars can
boast a high HP count, so all there really is
to go on is style , “soul” or handling
everybody will have there own preferance
to each of these things
domestics will prefer to throw their car round a
corner or just pray they never reach a corner
while import fans will prefer to slide round and
prefer corners to long straits.
its all a matter of opinion
October 7th, 2007 at 7:27 pm
So this is for RB25detz, So with stock internals he made 1117 lbs./tq and ran a 7.78 in the 1320ft….now how many other cars can you recall that can run that fast on stock internals?-Yeah I can name one-how about a ferrari f-430 or maybe a ferrari f-50 or f-60 or even an f-40. Or what about anything lamborghini makes eh? Or anything, like previously mentioned, ferrari makes? Deal with it-italy will always be on top so rice is gay-muscle is great. check out http://www.laughatrice.com for all you muscle and ricer guys. You will get a kick out of it. To all of you-you need to check your grammar and punctuation-damn, my neighbor doesn’t even spell half as bad as you guys!
October 7th, 2007 at 10:28 pm
were can i buy 1 just like this….this car is amazing
October 10th, 2007 at 12:34 pm
how can someone compare a ricer to an american muscle car. what they did to this car just is rediculous. so if u think that a little controller will make a four popper bring out more power than a stock v8 there is definitly something wrong with you. if you actually think for a bit if these v8 motors werent so owerful why would real people actually think about doing things to their american cars. all i really have to say is never compare a little four popper import to a v8 american uscle car like a 350,383,454. motors like that.
October 11th, 2007 at 8:33 pm
The engine you are talking about is not a RB26…
RB26DETTs only came with Twin turbos in GT-R models since R32s.
Therefore the engine you’re talking about is a 2.5 liter and it’s a RB25DET.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:43 pm
didnt anyone ever tell you size dont matter
this car aint for drag racing so it don’t need a heavy v8
its for driftin’
it was designed for a film with a nissan engine to fit into
the storyline
u ppl really need 2 chill
October 16th, 2007 at 4:31 am
dammm nice car but if u change some parts of the engine n put other parts form mustang it will soung a lot better
October 19th, 2007 at 7:43 pm
that car is so awsome is that the car off of gone in 60 seconds
October 22nd, 2007 at 6:21 pm
wow andrew, your a dumbass. first of all, all that is nice about that pour mustang is the bodystyle. the rest is shit, the engine tranny everything. and no its not the car off of gone in 60 seconds. that was a 67 gt 500. dumbass
October 26th, 2007 at 6:23 am
I am a Mustang lover and have been for years. Close minded as I may be this would be like giving me a heart transplant from some Japanese guy when the one I had worked just fine. This is an American named Muscle car that has been disgraced. I know you ricers just love it. Go ahead and enjoy this while it lasts. I hate the way ricer’s look and sound. Even if you beat me with your rice I would still rather drive my sweet ass Mustang any day! And for all you Chevy and Dodge guys out there you better be sticking up for us this time. If it was a Camaro or Challenger we’d have your back in a second! If you see that Mustang on the street just burn it and put the poor girl out of her misery!
November 6th, 2007 at 7:45 am
OK, fisrt of all about the RB26DETT engine, it is ONLY found in the Nissan Skyline R32, R33 & R34 GTR’s. In stock form it has been dyno proven to produce over 300hp at all four wheels.
I should know…i own an R33 GTR making 650HP at all four wheels….
November 15th, 2007 at 5:53 pm
Personally, I like it, the car is very well executed, again with the possible exception of the muffler.
To many out there, I have trouble buying the philosophy of your arguements relating to manufacture, racing, stock engines, cars with “soul” and others. Many of these arguments take no account of the purpose of the car or its components, the multi-national state of the automotive industry, or the relative cost of the vehicles in question…
As an american, I’ve been inundated all my life with the anti-foreign (specifically anti-asian) rhetoric. Which is pretty much based out of the state of the auto industry of the United States. The flaw is that the state of the auto industry for so long in the United States has been pathetic. Poor design, poor execution, poor reliability, lack of innovation. Sorry, it’s true. If you happen to like cars, and not just American cars, you sort of have to have a soft spot in your heart for Japan, for many reasons. Take manufacturing, since much of the American Anti-Japanese sentiment has been about keeping money in the United States. Whose money? Over the last 25 years, the American auto industry has slowly been killing the economy of the state of Michigan. Look at the effects of American car manufacturers on the economies of Detroit, Flint and others. Many American car makers have moved their operations or out-sourced their operations to foriegn countries. By contrast, Japanese manufacturers have been providing many new jobs to Americans over that time (Toyota, Honda, Subaru, Nissan). So the question becomes, whose money? A corporation or an american worker? Because if you haven’t noticed, the United States needs all the new jobs it can get.
From a design standpoint, Japanese automakers have consistantly provided more innovation (Honda especially) than any other auto manufacturers in the world, and unlike Europe, much of it devoted to a price point consumable by the average person and not the wealthy. Why? Good business. The american auto industry has not until recently taken any sort of a leading role in development (that doesn’t mean none at all, but what has been produced can hardly be called industry leading by any standard) of new auto technology.
Bottom line, Japanese auto makers have worked very hard, and deserve their props.
To the comments regarding vehicles with “soul.” “Soul” is a matter of perspective entirely. My grandfather didn’t have many good things to say about the cars of the 1960’s and 70’s compared to the earlier Cords, Packards, Stutts, etc. He thought mustangs, darts, novas, chevelles, etc looked like homogenized crap. I don’t happen to agree with him, but there you go. I think the point is, every generation has their cars they idolize. I grew up in the 80’s, and quite frankly, I don’t think there was much to celebrate (although the Lamborghini Countach will always have a special place in my mind), but I loved the end of the 80’s into the 90’s from Japan. The RX-7, the 300Z, the Skyline, these were cars that could go fast and turn to boot! I didn’t celebrate American stuff because it didn’t bring anything new to the table (ie engines that were starting to get big again, and bad suspension, coupled with poor construction and consumer satisfaction), what about that picture is there to like? They weren’t all bad, no one is going to debate that you can do wonderful things with a Fox mustang, but I never thought it looked particularly inspiring. So to the gentleman who talked about “soul” much earlier on, did you notice the dates on your list? Most Japanese dates are pretty recent, most American dates aren’t. It’s a simple fact, America has been less than inspiring for many people for a while. Our auto makers even proved it to us by out sourcing Japanese cars and engines all through the 80’s and 90’s, and buying controlling stock in some of them. And the big 3 are all guilty. The Eagle Talon, the Honda sourced 6 cyl in the Saturn Vue, Mazda! are all examples of rebadging, out sourcing and involvment on a large corporate scale. When you can come up with good ideas, find people who can.
That all being said, I have always liked the late 60’s mustangs, the 90’s Skylines, and I don’t see any problem with their combination. And I cannot believe the GM’ers suggesting LS1’s in a Ford! How in any way is that less heretical than a japanese engine?! or have you completely taken leave of your senses and forgotten the American debate that has been raging for decades. Once you’ve gotten rid of the original motor, bets are off, do what you want and do it well. Thats respectable.
To the people discussing stock engines and racing success. Isn’t this kind of silly to debate? Stock engines are chosen and designed to sell to a market that will most likely buy it. V8’s do not produce the most power of any engine on the planet, and there are many cars not from Japan that have unbelieveable power to weight ratios (forgive me if I missed any mention of Factory Five, Lotus, Caterham, or TVR as examples). Most major auto makers have had success and many still do, so what? The first 24 hrs at LeMans winner was Mazda, who saw that coming? To say that Americans don’t do racing well is idiocy, same as applying that statement to japan. What kind of racing? Ford has done very well in the WRC, same as Subaru and Mitsubishi, except that you can’t by a rally based Focus anywhere (it’s a mystery as to why). The C5R dominated GT racing for years. The Falken S197 Mustang has triumphed at the highest levels of drifting! Honda and Toyota and Nissan and Mazda all have their successes too (I will always love the 787B race car that won LeMans). I therefore don’t see the merit of arguing based on racing whatsoever, especially in relation to this Mustang.
Btw, I’ve owned lots of Japanese cars, and a few American. My next car? 2008 Ford Mustang GT. The way I see it, I like that good design has found it’s way back into America, and I think the Camaro of next year will be much cooler than the bloated whale body style that ended the 90’s (with a damn good engine…). I also happen to like the new Lancer Evo 10, and the new Skyline GT-R. Good design and execution knows no nationality, and I personally think combining a good engine in a great body is no more wrong than any other resto-mod, and violates the spirit of Ford no more than putting any other part from any other maker in it.
Sorry for the rant.
November 15th, 2007 at 6:35 pm
Kameleon, did you ever complain that a massive Ford engine was put into an english AC body to make one of the best (I think the best) muscle cars ever made? Did that AC body disgrace the ford engine? Did the ford engine disgrace the million other things it was powering (DeTomaso Pantera for instance)? I just don’t buy it. Otherwise Carol Shelby is guilty of some of the most heinous auto crimes ever committed!
By the way, how many people ever actually leave an RB26DETT stock? I’d just like to know. If you’re in the market for that engine, you’d be stupid to leave it that way. It works much better with a slew of aftermarket go fast parts just like anything else.
While we’re talking about stock engines that slay all, why has no one commented about the Bugatti Veyron 16 cylinder engine that makes 1000hp+ stock? Screw the whole debate, the million plus dollar cars win!! Get over it!! (can you imagine the upgraded aftermarket potential of that engine…?)
Btw, asking the Mopar and GM guys for support is weak when you take every opportunity away from here to cut each other down.
November 15th, 2007 at 7:02 pm
correction, I meant to say the first JAPANESE 24 hr at LeMans winner was Mazda. Obviously not the first, since it was the 59th running of the race…
November 25th, 2007 at 2:57 am
1967 shelby gt 500 plz and thank you
November 30th, 2007 at 11:57 pm
I think everybody is missing one singular point here. It’s a movie prop. I.E. – it doesn’t matter. They threw the engine in there to motivate the car and more-over because where they got it from, that’s what the nutjob wanted to do for some reason. Relax, sit down. Have a sip of tea. Mustang owners everywhere won’t be doing conversions. I didn’t hear this much squaking when they put a hydralic ram under the Charger in F&F2 to make it look like it did a wheelie. That’s because we all suspend dis-belief that it’s a movie prop and it’s in the script to be that way. That’s the same here. Nothing more, nothing less. It’s a prop. Get over it. ALL of you. The whole engine thing is like comparing apples to oranges. Each has their own flavor.
December 16th, 2007 at 1:01 am
Wow these post go on forever!!!! Guess thats what happens after almost 3yrs, only thing I have to say is that you take alot of the SOUL out of a (high performance) car when you change the motor. A once v-8 classic mustang with a nissan motor in it is not a muslce car anymore. Its like a half nissan half ford. It’s an awesome motor just does’t belong in a mustang don,t care how much more effiencent it is. Thats like putting a mustang motor in skyline and claiming you did it cause it sounded better. One of the main reasons the mustangs became an American icon is becuase of the 302, 289 and 427’s stuffed in them. Some things are just better left the way they are. There are plenty of powerful small block (FORD) motors they could have used in the car. This is comming from someone who’s owened over 27 cars all types imports and domestics and. I love all types of cars with all types of configurations inline 4, inline 6’s, V-6, V-8, V-10, V-12 etc.
December 20th, 2007 at 3:11 pm
I would like to see a continuation of the topic
December 25th, 2007 at 10:35 pm
i dont think a conclusion will ever be reached
just agree to disagree
its a film car, not a new model of car.
both domestic and import cars have their pros
and cons
deal with it
January 6th, 2008 at 10:11 am
only milk and juice bottles come in 2 litres.
January 16th, 2008 at 10:29 am
The Problem is not the horse power it is keeping it running.
There are plenty of American V8 engines that will run 2 or 3 race seasons.
I do not think the Nissan engine will run more than a couple of races without breaking
Don’t compare forty year old engines to new high tech just to make sound better.
January 20th, 2008 at 12:08 am
In the article, its stated that the “RB26″ was in the Nissan Skyline GTS R32-R33. That information is very incorrect! The RB26 was in the Nissan Skyline GTR models!! In the R32, R33 and the R34!! N the 6-speed was only available in the GTR R33 & R34 models. All RB26 engines from factory had around 280hp.
January 22nd, 2008 at 6:57 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE_vpDCE600
id say that this film represents most of
you yanks who have nothin better to do than
compare engine sizes
u all shud b ashamed that a 2L turbos etc can match
ur v8s n that
look at what Germany and japan can pull off
with their engines smaller engines
btw im not bias to any specific car culture since im
in the UK (if all u rednecks no where that is)
January 25th, 2008 at 7:23 pm
Car Craft did an article just before the movie came out on this car. Article said they used this car in engine shots and some of the driving stuff, but they had a another car set up, ford powerd of course, to do the driving stunts, said the Skyline was powerful, but lacked the torque to move the mustang thru its movie hard driving scenes.
January 26th, 2008 at 7:56 am
whats wrong with you ignorant muscle car lovers? that nissan engine is not something people should a “ricer engine”,because it isnt one.Honda engines are ricer engines.That nissan engine can put out a good 600 whp if needed and smoke all those rusty-ass pile of shit big V-8’s.Hell,my Subaru STi,stock, smoked a camaro with a 454,and my STi is an inline 4-cyl.,305 hp,im not saying old-skool cars suck,but mixing hardcore nissan power with some american muscle isnt a bad idea.It’s unique
January 27th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
i think the rb26dett in a mustang was a great idea now these fools know where the real power sits, owning a GTR r34 i’ve given some v8 supercharged cars a belting so keep it up love to see more of this shit out there.
January 28th, 2008 at 7:04 am
here’s a little info for the writer of this article. RB26’s are a TWIN TURBO 2.6 liter engine found in a GT-R!!!! SKYLINE…….that is the only model of skyline it came in and it puts out 278hp
R32 GTS-T’s HAVE AN RB20
R33 GTS-T’s have an RB25
R34 GTS-T’s have an RB25
ALL GT-R SKYLINES HAVE AN RB26
February 2nd, 2008 at 3:59 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_GT-R
the american car industry has well and truely stalled
meanwhile everywhere else is improving
theres the evolution x, the new GT-R which is
now reffered to as a “supercar”
what supercars does the us make…
oh yes… the corvette and SRT-10… thats about it
they wont even match the GT-R in quality, price or
lap times
February 15th, 2008 at 2:56 am
i think u guys are stuip to even put that into a mustang. mustangs are muscle cars not sport cars. they are made 4 acceleration and power not speed. fuck import car like that dumbass skyline the 1994 Mustang BOSS 10.0L would beat it so quick
February 15th, 2008 at 4:07 am
yer but american mustangs r and allways will be the best no shit on them on a mustang wot u get u need the japanese put 2 much shit on there cars skylines have 2 much plastick stuck 2 them and turbo this and turbo that wot ever thay fuck up v 8 dont plenty of pawer and thay sound better
February 16th, 2008 at 11:59 pm
so what do u think would happen if u
sent the BOSS mustang round Nurburgring Nordschleife
do you really think it’d stand a chance ageinst
a GT-R or Evo-X
February 20th, 2008 at 11:12 am
I tune my 580hp 351 Cleveland with 750dp Holley carb with a small screwdriver, a spanner and a timing light. Anyone say they can do that with their fuel-injected variable cam everything monitored engine with a computer constantly wanting to fix your changes? No. Well, not easily anyway…
Credit where credit is due, electronics are awesome. As is boost… But my Dad showing me the ins and outs of a carbi fed v8 won’t live up to the hair pulling from a computer controlled engine. I will admit from experience, try tuning an injected windsor and notice the pain HAHA!
February 25th, 2008 at 2:21 am
Im looking to buy a older mustang that look like this. Can anyone tell me what year model and whatever there is to now about it so i can find on similar to it. If you now email me at chiplor@aol.com
Thanks
February 26th, 2008 at 6:34 am
I will say I am biased, but comparing the best import to “old V8’s” is comparing apples to oranges. I give the import crowd that they CAN make power, but it is EXPENSIVE. For what they have, they do good, but the old addage that there is no replacement for displacement is true. Anything you can do to a 4 or 6 can be done to an 8 10 or 12, and the more it displaces the more power it will produce. I love imports, because their tech is now making its way into V8’s, life is good. Now, with that said, its his car, he can do what he wants; but with the import RB whatever, it WILL NOT pull top dollar on the auction block. I call it RB whatever, because the true RB belongs to the Dodge stable, 440’s and 426’s. Now, for the numbers, and stock internals. Anyone can go to barnes and noble and get a book called “How to Build Big Inch Mopar Small Blocks” published by HPBooks. in the back are numerous dyno sheets, the best stock internal (and by stock I also include replacement parts issued in rebuild kits, most true stock components have died in 40+ years of service) is 425HP at 5100 and 450ftlbs at 4300. That is stock stock, stock as in ONLY FACTORY PARTS, stock 360 block and cast rotating assembly no expensive head or intake just STOCK parts, now I wuld venture to say that since cast parts are good to 425, that a 340 bottom end (all forged) would be good to at least 550-600? Oh, thats NA too. No power adders, on 40 year old tech…..hmmmm. Now, on 340 internals plus spend 2500 on some goodies, how does 798HP @7000 and 690ftlbs at 5600 sound? Again NA, no power adders. So, you say you got 6K to blow…..well, Rod and Custom machine in Knoxville TN has a HEMI head conversion for Small block mopars, with s stock bottom end and forged pistons, only 600 buck for the complete rebuild kit from summit, and your walking on up to 1200HP…….questions?? Oh, don’t get me started on the true RB dodge big block line up. Sorry guys, I don’t know Chevy, but shoving a Chevy anything into a Mustang should also be illegal. Also, shoving a centifugal supercharger onto a near stock 302 will also give 600+, and you can do it for under 4500. I built a 4AGE out of a corolla for my neighbor, thats how I KNOW they are expensive. WAY to much money for a sewing machine!
February 28th, 2008 at 8:05 pm
power…
is that all that matters to u yanks
March 3rd, 2008 at 4:32 am
ok if you want to compare engines in factory cars, some one show me a pic of a 85 us motor with over 180000 miles that hasn’t had any major repairs and i’ll show you my 85 maxima that i drive daily, or the last maxima i owned which had over 240000 that i sold for parts and still runs strong. now when it comes to soul imports have a lot of it, nissan’s history in racing is quit long. I grew up on V8 power my dad only drove chevy but when it came time for me to get my own car I bought some US cars and none of them lasted more then 6 months they just couldn’t take the beating, then i picked up a 83 200sx beat the hell out of it for 2 years then sold it still running strong, and have been driving nissan since. Just think that car would keep up with a camaro of the same age (305 cuz i still want my v8 but gas is getting expensive)
and still pull better gas mileage on half the cylinders. So with globle warming and such anyone who is about just adding some CID to make power and thinking thats the best thing to do is just dumb, i’m all about finding better ways to make power with smaller displacement and using less gas. Maybe if US car company’s would have taken notes from Japan sooner the earth would be in a bit better shape.
As far as the RB meaning race built that how nissan does things:
http://www.freshalloy.com/site/features/tech/engines/home_codes.shtml
yea i would say it’s race built it’s a engine that takes very little to have fun on the track, it’s race ready and will do it all day every day.
and on personal notes:
SOE: yea but think if i add one little small part to my ECU i could tune my car without getting out of it, hell for that fact lets say your driving from east to west coast (and yes i have done it a couple of times) so you start at sea level
then up some hills and suddenly your running rich, well better get out and do some tunning, then back down the hills, damm running lean better tune that cuz you know there is no ecu to take the timing back or add some fuel and your going to be knocking soon. so yea i will take a ecu over a screwdriver any day plus they save a lot of fuel. ecu is simple it reads how much air is going in adds the the fuel needed then keeps it in check by reading o2 going out.
GeV: umm STi is not a inline far as i know it’s a horizontally apposed (sp?) which is great for low center of gravity.
and for all you all American boys just a few things for you to think over look up where nascar came from then think about why that style of driving is done by small 4 cylinder cars that go really fast and the big V8 go around and around and around.
then look up what Paul Newman use to race.
then look up wards 10 best engines and see how long nissan has been on there.
then take your big V8 out for a drive and hit redline in atleast 2 gears for the next 300 miles and i will do the same and wave to you as you dump $50-60 to fill up your tank as i drive by thats if your not sitting waiting for the tow truck cuz something broke, cuz you know if the if the rest of the drive train can’t take it whats the point. well i guess thats a bit far cuz if you have a big power chevy V8 more then likely thats a Ford 9 in between the wheels, hmmmm switching parts between car company’s has that been done before must be like a story line that takes place in Japan in which a miss placed mustang (thats has no motor, wonder what happen didn’t live that long?) gets one of the best drive trains ever built.
March 17th, 2008 at 11:19 am
Said by Yuda “It is sad that more people cannot appreciate different approaches to car designing and are blinded by their narrowmindedness.”
I couldn’t agree more. I’m an American raised in the South to believe that Chevy was God’s Gift to mankind. However over the years I have formed my own opinions and I think almost ANY car has the potential to be ‘cool’. If that means swapping ia Japanese motor into an American car (classic muscle or not) then so be it, and vise versa. My only real criteria is that it do what it was intended to do relatively well, the work is performed competantly, and it’s fairly dependable.
I love cars. Ok, in fact I love all vehicles, give me something with a propulsion system and I’m a happy camper. If it has some imagination used thats even better. Jay Leno owns a Harley (I think it;s a Harley anyway) with a freakin Huey helicopter engine in it. I mean it’s not even from the same vehicle class but it IS cool. I’m sure some purists would strongly disagree and that’s their right.
I think it’s funny that people rant about this particular combo being on par w/ a mortal sin. Where the hell were you guys when the film crews from the “Dukes of Hazzard” & “The Rockford Files” and many more were trashing countless numbers of classic vehicles? IMO thats way worse than modding a classic car by alomost any means.
I’ve read alot of the posts that called the car rice, where’s the wing? The underbody Neon? The sound system that you can hears 23 blocks away?
If I had to choose between a ‘60 GTO Judge and a Skyline R34, I’d ask for both. Else I’d probably have to flip a coin to make a choice. And if an M3 or M5 were added to the mix I’d be even more hesitant. Cars are cars and if you lock yourself into one genre of vehicle fanatacism then you miss out on so much. I just like to drive, and to all the guys out there doing mods like this I just want to say “Thanks for illustrating different ways to combine modern efficiency and classic styling.”
March 18th, 2008 at 6:45 pm
hey , lol great luck getting the hybrid, wanna sell it 2 me
:):):)
lol, i think i will make my own
ive just been given the engine and running gear out of a maserati quatroporte, nd i intend on creating my own hybrid with either a mustang, skyline or bmw 7 series. which do u think would suit the job?
March 23rd, 2008 at 11:43 am
Vernk the only reason the 4ag cost that much to build is because YOU build it.
Granted the 4ag is not the best example of import technology.
Heres a question for all you guys, you say, you can make such power so easy. Where are your 1000+ hp cars? Why is it that 99% of domestic street cars, lose to my puny 2 liter turbo 4 banger? Heck why not make the power for yourself? I tell you why, because unless you run into an extremely fortunate set of circumstances its pure bull.
The real reason why theres a preference in domestic, is simply becaue of that, blind devotion to a type of engine simply because its from America. This is bad, because its shutting yourself to better ways to do things, and thus why American car industry is going down the gutter.
March 26th, 2008 at 2:38 am
Ok to all of you 4 banger haters shut the hell up, in todays economey u think that jsut anyone can afford to drive a freckin v8 every day? Why do u think People took to the Suzuki Samurai For 4wheeling? DURR cause you have to fill it once and it last u all day on the trail, as for a rb motor in a ford its a cool concept that made reality. So shut the hell up and keep driving ur whatever u drive and let some other people make what they want to so it can stop on your car. And Im not a FORD but its a cool concept even for a ford.
April 5th, 2008 at 4:33 am
ugh..
z06 vs GT-R
just wait until the GT-R makes it to america, there’ll be videos all over youtube.
April 9th, 2008 at 7:17 pm
Does the rb26 fit in a 72 charger?
April 9th, 2008 at 7:19 pm
I think matt should go skyline, that would be something noone has done yet.
April 24th, 2008 at 12:32 am
i have a 260z with 392 stroker ford. its all about the ride and the fear factor!
May 4th, 2008 at 5:39 am
Fools all of you are fools. Personally I like red heads!! Does that mean that redheads are better looking? Hell no. Its just a prefernce. Why do all of these old foggies have to disrespect newer cars. I will say that front wheel drive cars arn’t the same as rear wheel, but that being said Japan has turned out some fine cars, and some fine power plants under the hoods. Are American cars cool hell ya!! And they are classic because they are the first “muscle cars made” Your right you cant be the first to come out with muscle cars, but if ford and chevy and mopar had the same attitude as American car enthusists we would all still be driving modle t’s and talking about how stupid the Mustang, Camaro, and Charger look. This fight about American cars and Japanise cars is stupid. I’m a car lover, I don’t mind where the car comes from. I look at it and I like it or I don’t. I drive it and I really find out if I like it or I don’t. Everyone needs to grow up. Especially you guys who listen to nothing but classic rock. Its good, but only because those days were the high point in your lives. I don’t know about you, but life seems to be getting better even after my “glory days” are gone.
May 25th, 2008 at 2:06 am
if you want power you have to go with a bbf. power comes from cubic inches if you turbo any big block you will get more horsepower and torque than you ever will with any foreign eingine. don’t disgrace the muscle car!
May 28th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
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June 3rd, 2008 at 8:08 am
who would put a nissan in a mustang thats just screwed up put a supercharged 351 cleavland in it
June 3rd, 2008 at 8:14 am
this is freegan stupid it needs a 427 between its rails
June 11th, 2008 at 9:06 am
american and japanese both don’t know how to make vehicles. So a rb26 in a stang is a lose-lose situation.
EURO FTW!
June 11th, 2008 at 9:09 am
american and japanese don’t know how to make vehicles. So an RB26 in a Stang is a lose-lose situation. i’ll take my sheer power with some finesse.
EURO FTW!!!!!
June 11th, 2008 at 9:10 am
My Lotus has a Toyota engine in it, and I couldn’t be happier.
June 16th, 2008 at 2:37 am
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July 9th, 2008 at 9:22 am
ford mustang gt is a grat car and good for drifting.
July 21st, 2008 at 11:00 pm
okay…theres nothing better than the sound of American muscle….old mustangs look great…there classics…but how many have you seen with a japanese motor in them….sure the movie is making stupid kids go out and do it… but the americans came out with a good looking car. And now ppl are making the car even better…………ASIANS rule the roads dudes.!!!!! ahahaha
August 11th, 2008 at 6:31 pm
Hahah i love american cars i love all cars actually i love practical cars that everything on the car has a purpose or need but to the person that said the ford motor is a gas guzzler some guy just got an 87 5.0 mustang uo to 110mpg with 400hp and 0-60 in 3 seconds the nissan skyline motor is fucking fast im not going to lie but people have been putting japanese motors in american car and vise versa for years and they do it not for what is but because they are doing what they need for horsepower i went to the racetrack the other day and saw a 88 rx7 with a bored out 390 which i guess is a 406 and it ran 8s non turbo just because the engine has alot of power and it is a light car
September 1st, 2008 at 8:34 pm
Personally, I think that it’s an amazing car. A mix of old and new. Something that makes highly efficient power while looking amazingly clean. There’s no point in knocking it just because you’re too narrow minded, or dont have the skills to piece together something like this. The american domination of the automotive industry is long gone. The japanese and europeans are building cars faster, more efficient, and more comfortable than most american companies. The japanese pioneered many of the technologies used on modern american cars. You can bleat all you want about this being the desacration of a classic muscle car, but it just proves the degree of ignorance that the majority of muscle builders have regarding imports. I’d love to see more rb series and 1jz/2jz motors in american cars, just like it would be great to see a few more ls-1’s in rx-7s and silvias(240sx). The old muscle scene wasnt honestly much different than todays import scene, just a bunch of people trying to make their car a little faster, handle a little better, and look just a little more vicious. The builder should honestly be congratulated on this beautiful build, it’s a well built shock to the stagnant muscle scene. Besides, its his damn car, he can do whatever the hell he wants to with it!
By the way 87, the record for the fastest 0-60 time is just over 3 seconds. It was achieved by a car that is little more than a sand rail.
Honestly, we sould all drive smarts with hyabusa swaps in them. Thats a beastly car for you(look up smart diablo). Super short wheel base, a good power to weight ratio, and rear wheel drive, can you imagine how much fun one would be as a secondary car? Doing donuts would be like sitting in a washing machine, and you dont have to worry about people crying over the toxic gasses it spews out.
(yes, I’m a young import driver, but I grew up on muscle. nobody here can hate the pissed-off-bumblebee-in-a-can exhaust sound more than me(my car has a deep, smooth exhaust note). I’m a certified, card carrying honda hater, so don’t get the idea that every import builder out there is in love with the little 1.6 liter econo-boxes.)
September 23rd, 2008 at 2:10 am
I’m 16 and I agree with what Drew said. Although my love are for the american and some foreign cars from the mid 70’s and back. They could have found a better engine to put in it though. Which on is the problem and nobody will agree on which, thats the problem. Something ford would be my choice.
October 8th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
could you put some cool pics of hot rods please, it would be great
October 29th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
jr1988 you are wrong, the 33 gtr never had a 6 speed box just a five speed. also it says at teh start that the rb26dett has a single turbo but it does not, what do you think ht ett means, its a twin turbo engine. the rb25det as fitted to the r33 gtst and the r34 gtt is a single turbo 250bhp in the r33 gtst and 280 in the r24 gtt. and as for eurofanatic’s comments you so fecking wrong. euro cars are little bits of rusty shit!! i hate saxo’s corsa’s or any chav car!!
November 10th, 2008 at 5:07 am
The reason they put that motor into the Mustang is because where it was located, the movie is based in Japan, and if any of the retards out there payed attention to the plot of the movie, that’s all they had, they didn’t have tons of time to find a Mustang engine, and honestly, it would have taken a lot of time to tune a new engine for drifting compared to just making tweaks to accommodate for the larger, heavier body, plus a big block isn’t going to put out the right throttle response to drift, I’m not saying this isn’t possible because this previous summer I went to a drift show and saw a Nissan 350z running a Camaro engine. My point is, they already had an engine to use, that particular engine is more adapt for drifting because of throttle response, and other modifications, if you have problems with imports and tuners, than shut up, and don’t watch the movies, they could have used a crappier car than that, or God knows what else.
November 13th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
bitchin ride homes
November 15th, 2008 at 11:29 am
I see there is recent postings so i’ll add my thoughts.
First off back to the original topic. The RB26 Mustang was made for a movie (there’s a hint) and they (the producers/directors/writers) decided to use The RB26DETT engine in the Mustang to emphasize the plot. An American boy in Japan becomes a hero… why shouldn’t the car resemble that..
Now on to the the bigots. Ricer is an unfair stereotype. Ricer isn’t decided by what car you drive. it’s decided on what you put in your car. Ricer is a fashion statement. you throw 4k in audio/video, fancy interior, under body lights in your civic you’re a ricer. If i throw the same 4k fancy shit in my focus guess what! i’m a ricer… you stick it in an american muscle guess what! you’re a ricer!!!! wee
now for the engines..
anyone trying to judging an RB26 to any v8 muscle is sadly sadly moronic and narrow minded
it’s like judging burgers to hot dogs… they’re both food.. they both come on buns… but that’s it… one’s beef ones pork…
RB26 is an in-line 6
a V8 is just that V8
It’s not “Which engine is better” it’s “Which engine is better for what i need”
the RB26DETT is a great engine for what it was built for sport tuned racing.
why?
lets look
RB26DETT stands for Race Bred 2.6 liter Double overhead cam Electric fuel injected Twin Turbo…
i like the abbreviation better
What it is.. a 700lb engine that puts out 328hp at 6400 rpm (about 54 horses per cylinder) and 298lbs of torque at about 4400 rpm with a red line of 8000.
and when it’s put into a Nissan Skyline GT-R (curb weight of 3395lbs) it’s about 10lbs per horse…
With it being RB (race bred) from the L20 engines it has very strong internals.
what’s it good for… well seeing as it came in an all-wheel drive vehicle.. it’s good for LaMans, Grand Turrismo Racing (no not the game) Any maintained tarmac racing… when put into a rear wheel drive vehicle say a 240sx.. the power to weight is less… and high rpm with flexible torque band make it a great drift choice…
Since the V8 is a broad class i’ll pick the popular Boss 302
what is it? well it’s a 302 cubic inch displacement engine.
Clocking in at 290hp @ 5900 rpm (about 36hp per cylinder) and 290lbs of torque at 4300 rpm with a red line of 6000 rpm it’s no slouch.
when the Boss Mustang rolls in at 3300lbs that puts us at about 11lbs per horse
Built off the small block Windsor and slapped with 351 cleveland it’s got the all push-rods we love.
What is it good for… built for Trans-am racing, good in dirt track/clay ovals.. and good ole putting your foot through the floor heart stopping straight line racing
So… what now…
well stop comparing hot dogs and hambergers…
if you want the truth the RB26 produces more horses with fewer cylinders stock then the 302 stock…
but it’s not important… it’s what you need it for…
if you want a straight line racer that does great ET’s for little cash got with the v8..
if you want to wink at the other driver while your sliding around him/her at the local drift event go with the RB26.
If you got an itching for raw power deep throaty roar and classic muscle look go with a v8 classic..
If you got a hankering for Spec power that distinctive whine and hiss and a sleek sexy look get a turbo charged export..
got big hands get American Muscle is for you
got tiny paws Japanese engineering is for you
and if you got a tendency to slap every thing in the catalog into your car…
Please leave it in your garage… or paper bag it…. you ricers
December 1st, 2008 at 5:08 am
I’m hosting a custom car and hot rod show in San Francisco, featuring and I’m looking hybrid hot rods to include in the show. Do you have any information about the mustang that’s featured on your site? Or information about hybird hot rods in the bay area?
I’d appreciate any leads. The grand prize is $666 cash.
Thanks, Heather
highwaytohell@gmail.com
http://www.highwaytohellsf.com
December 19th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
I drove that mustang before they had it in the movie, it guns.
January 6th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
I never thought I would see import crossed with american muscle but here it is, wild but hey they have crossed and tossed a v8 in hondas all the time so right on.
January 15th, 2009 at 5:24 am
I think anyone with a chevy powered ford, ford powered chevy,
should’nt even run their mouth about a nissan powered mustang. I dont care if it’s drag racing,
drifting, or circut. If your ass cant keep up with whatever powerplant is in what, here some cheese for your whine cause im at the finish line.
January 15th, 2009 at 5:30 am
I think anyone with a chevy powered ford, ford powered chevy,
should’nt even run their mouth about a nissan powered mustang. I dont care if it’s drag racing,
drifting, or circut. If your ass cant keep up with whatever powerplant is in what, here some cheese for your whine cause im at the finish line. The mustang is awsome i got a 66 with a inline six that need to be fitted with a new powerplant, I might just nissan power it, cause i can.
January 15th, 2009 at 7:04 am
Allright I have had build know how on all type of motors.
Ford,Chevrolet,honda, toyota’s ect. a carberated motor in whatever form, is a flat running motor for level terrain, to make it run at it peak performance mean endless work with jetting gas shifts in the bowls its a pain. And if you think im wrong, run a carb motor at a mile high, or a 351c burning 44″tsl on asphalt or swamping through mudhole 4ft deep, throttle reponse is not workin mudslingin with carbs “just hold the gas wide open and hear the motor that’s your throttle response”. Ive built a 4.0l ford efi with a cam and all possible head work with No2 burning 38’s with no butten pushed! I dig big american horsepower, it easy. It’s easy to work with and figure out. That’s why i got into imports, to challenge me, but that was a dissapointment, they are just as easy as a american made cars. even fuel injected are easy. I’ve got the crappest motor honda ever put out a SOHC D15b2 with even Crappier dpfi, but i took it bored it, shaved the head, and had a valve job done, along with cold air intake, short shift, exedy clutch,header, downpipe,flowmaster, and a little lighting up. I’m running mid 15’s now i would like to put a hundred shot of nos to it to see how long it takes to throw a timing gear or blow the thing sky high, so i can swap it with a little lesser crappier SOHC d16 with a turbo
January 16th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
mustang
February 1st, 2009 at 5:25 pm
I can’t believe someone who would actually do this to a Classic Mustang. Specially a Mustang Fastback which are getting harder and harder to find. Ricers should leave these cars alone. Classic Mustangs are better off with REAL MEN! who know a thing or two about torque and horsepower.
March 7th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
You Americans and your shit motors…RB26 is 10 times better than any of the push rod crap you make. Why is it the US motor industry constantly needs bailing out by the government – BUZZ – YOU MAKE SHIT CARS! NOBODY BUT YOU LOT WANT THEM!
March 12th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
WOW Anonymous…. you are angry and should probably slow down and take a deep breathe and relax before you blow a gasket. Our motors are not “shit” as you call them. I would gladly take a stock V8 over anything Japan put out. I own a 1968 fastback Mustang and a 1995 Mitsubishi 3000 GT. I love them both. They each have their purpose. Here is the thing that everyone should realize.. it is your car, do what you want with it. Personally I think it is sick and wrong to put anything but an American V8 in an American muscle car. I also thing it is wrong to put an American V8 into a Z-car or any other Japanese car. But to compare the two kinds of motors (or cars) is comparing apples and potatoes. If you want or like blow off valves, ridiculous fins/spoilers and the potato launcher tailpipe, go for Japanese Muscle. If you like fat tires, gas guzzling heavy cars with classic looks, go for American Muscle. But stop saying one is better than the other. It is all a matter of opinion.
March 29th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
this is stupid, it is sacralige, but not in putting an rb26 in a mustang, but rather rapping the best engine in the world, up in the worst handling chassis in the world
March 29th, 2009 at 9:21 pm
this whole argument is stupid, yes that hybrid is a crime, but only because nobady should ever put the greatest engine in the world, in the worst handling vehicle ever conceived, i like the mustang and i’d love to buy one, it would make a lovely statue in my garden but as there are corners all round where i live i dont think i’d ever want to drive it, as for v8s, 3 words, bhp per litre, think about it
April 4th, 2009 at 2:00 am
that car rocks but im looken for a car like a mustang gt 12cylinder engein tubo nitris and it has to look really cool.
April 30th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
that is a bad ass moter and a very nice car
May 13th, 2009 at 7:38 pm
Wow you all need to change your manpons fuckin cry babies. wahhhh they put a sick nissan motor in a stang wahhh. who cares people do swaps all the time. Im looking forward to putting a chevy motor in a fox body soon an Yes I am goin to rock a chevy decal on the back window just to spite you ford fanatics.
June 12th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
im sorry but have any of you people actualy been to a track??? im thinking not. not to doubt the power of a import because they can be quick. but i do work at a drag and road strip and i am yet to see a 10 or an 11 sec import. if you put your imported motors on a pedistol then why dont we see them? now as for the v8 vs the rb26. your boasting about no modifications but your talking about boost modifyers well thats not leaving it stock, but you are quick to say that the v8 has to be. well a STOCK v8 would destroy a STOCK rb26. now for the cost i agree with some of the coments above if you took the amount of wasted money you would have to soak into the import motors to get them to do a 1/4 mile in 10 sec. and instead put that into a v8 of any kind or size and you have a real power plant. so if you want to go fast go v8 as for the video way the hell up there i think its a little disapointing that the import motor was put into a good car, but its a movie they have to do weard shit to get people to watch. is it faster or could it out perfom sorry not today son
June 25th, 2009 at 6:54 am
mustang cheat
July 2nd, 2009 at 5:06 pm
an rb25deT = single turbo – stock – T
and rb26deTT = twin turbo – stock – TT
so why would anyone disrispect the great skyline power train by putinging it in a POS 60’s mustang.
Oh and for u tards out there. a DOHC will always out perform an center cam or SOHC.
RB will put out more HP than the stock stang ever can. -NOS or retarded boost.
July 15th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
ok why the fuck are you assholes arguing about this i own a 1990 nissan 240sx coupe with a rb26dett its a great performer on drag and drift if you have never driven something with an rb26 than you muscle car jerkoffs have no room to talk im 16 and yea i built my 240sx by myself i learned from trial and error it doesnt matter if its a sr20det rb20det rb25det or a rb26dett it hauls ass and yea im a import person and the term “ricer” is more honda related in general
July 16th, 2009 at 9:06 am
the story behind the whole thing is that they are in JAPAN (little to no v8’s). the main charicters father found it on the base he works at in terible condition with NO ENGINE and has been restoring it. the main charictor has to take the rb26 engine out of an s15 codenamed “the monalisa” of drifting because its the only car left (the main charictor trashes it in his first ever drift and it’s sitting behind the garage in pieces) after the police impound all the other cars in the recently decieced friends garage. they put it in tune and test for drift then race it to stop the escalating violence between him and the antagonist it makes perfect sence the story dosent sugest that they want to the moter in but that its the only one they have. after the race he ditches it and gets an s15 to race the 70 roadrunner its about nacesity not rice vs muscle why don’t watch something before you hate on it.
August 11th, 2009 at 6:24 am
The American muscle car era is over. American cars, and the American car image of that proud, shiny musclecar is dead. The only people complaining and whining about how awful it is that a small displacement Japanese or European cars can make twice as much horsepower for less money than a gas guzzling, overweight, American shitpile from the disco era are still stuck there. It would be more interesting to note that these same manufacturers haven’t built anything new or interesting to the ‘musclecar’ market in years. The new Camaro? Overpriced. Mustang? Outdated suspension makes it slow on the road courses unless you spend money. Challenger? Who gives a fuck about Fiat-owned Dodge? It’ll be gone in another year. Though, perhaps the greatest thing here that people seem to miss, is that the whole hot-rod scene, regardless of displacement or make, started with people modifying inexpensive cars by swapping engines and improving the parts that make them go fast, and handle better. The only difference, is that this generation of people grew up around import cars. They’re inexpensive, reliable, and plentiful. And there is just as much, if not more aftermarket support for that honda than your ancient chevelle. There are more of us than you think. You are being phased out.
August 14th, 2009 at 6:41 am
For information sake. The measleast powered American V8 engine you can find (witch is the Ford 289 with a 2bbl carburator) puts out 220 hp as a minimun, if you twitch it up just by adding headers in the exhaust (without increasing anything in the gas supply) you boost it to 280 hp and adding say a 4bbl stock carb, even when it is stock not a race model carb, you boost it to 350 hp and the list goes on, now: Who can tell me that any import engine can do 280 hp just by adding headers whyle working with minimal gas inyection equipment (like a 1bbl carb in the case of imports), go ahead, tell me how…
August 14th, 2009 at 7:08 am
Let me say to “Maxima VQ30DE” ( witch also goes for all other import fanatics ). To talk about an import engine doing 500 hp without internal modifications is dounright lying at beast and dounright ignorant (witch I think is more suitable). Son… let me enlinghten you. The least powered V8 (witch is the 289 2bbl, or 2 throught carburator, to explain to you what 2bbl means) is an engine that without header exhausts, without flat pistons and with that measly 2bbl ( or 2 throught carburator ) does 220 horses!!! son, and an import engine with stock inyectors ( not high volume ones), without header exhausts, and “without modificatios” as you proudly, but ignorantly say, only does around 140 hp if you are lucky, whyle a tricked out V8 starts at 500 horses and goes to 2500 hp ( witch I would like to see in an import without it exploting before reaching that hp mark or surviving if it eventually can reach it ) additionally to say that an import can reach 1600 hp THAT IS SIMPLY IMPOSIBLE… the highest an import can perform are around 600 hp ( and this is with a powerfull turbo, flat balanced pistons, street tunned camshaft, roller rocker arms, and a host of race tunned parts all put on an inline 6 Skyline engine, those 600 hp are posible because I have seen it ) so you only missed your aim for about 1000 horses, and a piece of advice: If you really want power, go whith the one that started it, the V8 engines, and dont try to boost what can never do it…
September 13th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
albert i dont know where to start other than to simply say you are close-minded. to keep it short, an integra type-r(dc2, not even the newest one) has a 1.8L “four banger” and makes 195hp. that is OVER 100hp per liter. do you know that chrysler was ECSTATIC that the new challenger srt-8 makes ALMOST 70hp per liter? so post a link to show me that ANY pushrod v8 can even come close to that output. that is without poweradders or anything modified btw. if those old v8s were dohc(like import v8s), they would make so much more power, whether you admit it or not. overhead camshafts are what makes power, and THAT is why they are taking over.
November 1st, 2009 at 12:43 am
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November 4th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
Who ever is responsible for this should be placed in front of a firing squad! who could take a fine quality American classic and contaminate it with some imported piece of shit? Gotta be some pathetic high society ass hole thats trying to proove some sort of stupid point. damn democrats
November 29th, 2009 at 8:53 am
I have never heard of a Skyline but sounds like a nice car…I love cars of all makes and models. I respect the handling of a German car, the reliability of Japanese cars, etc. I think I would have opted to shoehorn the Nissan motor into a Ford Granada insted and spent the money restoring the ‘68 Fastback to stock. I really hope they didn’t pull out a 427 FE engine and put in the Nissan engine. I see a lot of beat-up older six-cylinder Mustangs on Craigslist, couldn’t they have used one of them…maybe? In my mind nothing will beat the styling of American cars from 1965 to 1972, I don’t know what happened after that? Another one bites the dust I guess, maybe they can put back the 427 and return the Fastback back to what is was and just chalk it up to the nissan engine swap being, “that was cool but I’m glad its over”…
December 1st, 2009 at 3:17 am
stock honda cranks can take up to 900 hp. 4 cyl hondas break the 600 hp barrier all day. nissans and toyotas do the same. with their inline 6s (supras/skylines) pushing well over 1100 hp. keep in mind the american 1/4 mile is all about POWER TO WEIGHT you can have a 200 hp 2000lb car that will beat a 4000lb 500 hp car. a fast car is a fast car. dont rationalize a car based off its nationality. if its european and runs 11s, cool! if its american and runs 11s, cool! if its japanese and it runs 11s, cool! more power to you. dont be car racist and more importantly DONT BE AN IGNORANT MORON ALBERT
December 1st, 2009 at 11:53 pm
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December 1st, 2009 at 11:54 pm
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December 1st, 2009 at 11:54 pm
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December 7th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
If you guys are calling all imports ricers. Then you need to think about all the imports from Europe. Im pretty sure a Mercedes-Benz or A BMW could out run your corvettes and mustangs. If u havent heard some guy put an 800 horsepower supra motor in and 1967 Camaro. So if you guys want to get all butt hurt about the nissan powered Mustang get that way. If you also havent heard about the LS1, rear wheel drive honda civic…then all you guys are freaking stupid. I mean ill drive anything import or domestic. I love the sound of a big block V8, but i also love the sound of an turbo’d inline 4-6. So, all u guys need to need to get a fraking life.
December 8th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
I know that this is a really old thread but i gotta speak up on here…
I am a car lover!!! I love cars and speed and the roar of a pushrod V8.
There are a few things that everyone must understand. LS7 motor is lighter and more powerful than the RB… it will fit nicely into this car and has more power potential. but hey if I had 20k to spend on a motor I would def get that and put it in here.
The 5.4 out of the Ford GT… Great motor, lighter and more potent than the RB… but once again your looking at 15k for the motor. and thats before fab work to get it in there.
I love the sounds of a cammed and turbo z06 or ford GT… but hey lets all be practical.
for starters lets talk TQ. Inline motors are the best way to make TQ, thats why semis mostly have inlines, thats why the dodge cummins are inlines and that is why the old Ford inline 6 is one of the best pullin motors of its day… ya thats right better than the 5.4 pulling…. why? lets looks at how a motor works… The longer internals will always create more TQ. so hey if its TQ you want get away from those damn V mounted motors. now the downside is its hard to stuff in inline 8 anywhere. Now all motor is is a pump… the faster you can pump air in and out the more power you will make… therefore a 5.7 smallblock should make more power…. but wait then you throw in boost… and now its even. you throw in better weight dist. and now you have a better track car… but wait you saved 20k by not buying a brand new ls7.
there are many reasons why you should go with a smaller motor as well as a larger motor… both sides need to get head out of your ass and see the big picture your both being idiots.
Here is the best advantage to an RB over a LS motor… how many of you have raced an LS motor and bounced it off the rec limiter all day? did it last vert long? nope!!! the GM and ford V8s hate being revved high… therefor you have to shift more and lose time around track. now with a lot of money you can change that but hey 500whp i spent 3k on and RB and another 24 on a boost controller… and i can beat the piss out of it and never worry… i like that.
A V8 will almost always have more final end potenial on power, but hey what the hell you gonna do with 1000+ hp? well you will def be first down the track in a drag race i will for sure give you that. and if you like the sound of a v8 over the shitty sound of a smaller motor, great!! i love it too!! but damn think before you talk shit bout someone elses car.
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December 25th, 2009 at 6:49 am
look, when i saw this movie come out my first thought was that this was going to be another shitty fast and furious movie(lets all be honest, the second one sucked my grandfathers nuts).but now that i watched it i love it.i think that putting a nissan engine into a mustang was a great idea. it combines to very diverse worlds,tuner and american muscle. now when the producer made this movie he probably thought to himself that this car was going to piss alot of people off but he had the balls to say fuck it. people have been doing engine swaps since the begining of engines. i admire this. now to the fact that people keep bitching about how the nissan is better or the ford is better or the chevy is better and blah blah fucking blah. look, all the engines are great for there certain things. now when gm invented the 350 the were looking for a conventinal block that could be used in all aplications of there vehicles(to save money of course) and they ended up with the most popular block in the world. now its great because u can go to the junk yard,find a 79 farm truck that was rolled over but only has 14000 miles on it, rip it out for the falt rate 800 dollars, take it home, replace the cam, rods pistons and timing gears and chain, polish it up,throw a pair of fatty headers and a double carb intake that u got at a swap meet with a pair of holley 750 cfm carbs and you end up with a car running in the low 11’s.thats the story of my carlo which i completed for the budget of 5 grand.and i had enough left over for the floor mats and the pine tree air freshener.now it would cost u a little more for that mustang up above to be completed the way it is.now u certainly cant go to the junkyard, find an old nissan pickup and just yank out a rb26.but thats were the nissan motors are great.they were not built as an all purpose block.they were built for and last for the purpose of performance. its sick that u can just tune the boost and u get a noticible hp increase. u can get 1000 hp +. now if i put a 1000 horses on stock 350 rods(and what im talking about is the big block, i forgot to mention that was what my carlo is) and they would snap like toothpicks.every thing has its good and bads. why should people give a fuck about where it is from. thats racist. i think projects like this shoould be done more often.if u have any or know of any u should send them to my email at austin.horter@yahoo.com
January 11th, 2010 at 8:06 pm
See i have a RB20 240sx and i raced a 2003 mustang on the highway the other day and i pulled on him without dropping out of fifth gear so you tell me whats better and a just because i have a turbo doesnt mean shit hes got two more cylinders and hell 2.6 more liters on my motor
February 1st, 2010 at 7:58 pm
why cant everybody here just get along i mean dam dude im not an engine head but i know that a bigger engine means more exoust and i think these muscle heads are inhailing too much of it and to tell you the truth i dont drive i got a streetbike that will put all your v8’s and v’6 inline six and fourbangers to shame but its not the point the think about it what is the main reason you trick out cars and bikes……TO HAVE FUN if you brag and boast that your car is so much better that in my mind just says you have a small penis or low selfesteem and you think that your big engine will help it
February 16th, 2010 at 5:11 am
The very first ‘muscle car’ was the GTO. Bigger better motor with more power in a ‘Tempest’ that was never meant to have it. Motor swaps and such are the very essence of hot rodding. Putting a small lesser power motor in a car that had more power/torque is the OPPOSITE of hot rodding. This is why old school hot rodders (almost ALL hot rodders are ‘old school’ because modern day rice hot rodders are a new breed) are bothered by this.
February 26th, 2010 at 6:29 pm
That is un godly. Henry Ford just turned over in his grave.