Nissan Powered Mustang
I don’t know why, and I don’t know where, but this Ford Mustang is a hybrid car of a different color. The rumor that accompanied the pictures was that the car is from the Fast and Furious 3, but I have zero confirmation on that rumor.
Update: I have confirmation that this is indeed a car built for the Fast and Furious 3.
This Mustang is powered by a Nissan RB26. The RB26 engine is originally found in the Nissan Skyline GT-S R32 & R33. It is a short-stroke, iron-block six with one turbo that takes well to modifications. In factory trim the engine produces around 250 Horsepower and is backed by a 6-speed transmission.
Update:
The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift will be hitting theaters on June 16th and this Mustang/Skyline hybrid will be making its appearance on the silver screen. According to information that I have gleamed from various magazine as well as several other websites, the actual RB-26 Mustang was not used for all the action sequences, but rather conventional Ford powered “stunt cars” were used as only a single RB car was built.
The RB car, does actually work. According to testing done by Sport Compact Car in their July 2006 Issue the car puts down a 13.36 @ 109.83, which is just a hair slower then my ZZ383 powered 1964 Malibu. Considering the high trap speed, coupled with the fact that 19″ Volk Racing wheels are hardly optimal for drag racing, I have to give the car some respect.
On the dyno the RB Mustang put out 340.2 RWHP @ 7300 RPM, which is more then a stock RB26DETT, but is far from being anything remarkable.
At the end of the day, this car is a prop for a movie, and much like the Fast and Furious, it can only be enjoyed if they are not taken too seriously.
Not All Drifting Mustangs have Nissan Motors.
A side note, the color of the car appears to be the same Highland Green color as Steve McQueens Mustang GT from the movie Bullit. The engine, however, is a far cry from the 390 cid engine in McQueens Car.
December 12th, 2005 at 12:48 pm
that is CLEARLY a rb26 as stated on the front of the valve cover, and YES it will be featured in F&F3.
December 12th, 2005 at 2:46 pm
I have made the correction. Thanks for pointing that our. I am not familiar with the different Nissan Motors and 26 is rather hard to make out for someone that does not know these motors.
December 18th, 2005 at 4:45 pm
It sickens me to see that a ricer engine was installed in this car. What was wrong with installing a nice 289… 302… 390 V8??? Oh… I see now… the other ricers wouldnt have been able to keep up with it!!!
December 18th, 2005 at 7:27 pm
I guess if you’re between the ages of 15 and 20 you might think this is cool. It’s pretty obvious the producers of the Fast and Furriest movies are simply using the tuner culture as a marketing ploy and exploiting it to turn a profit. Needless to say all the little kids with their budget Hondas are falling right into that trap…
December 18th, 2005 at 8:17 pm
I think steve mcqueen would roll over in his grave if he’d seen this…..
December 18th, 2005 at 8:36 pm
i’d like to see your v8 compete on the track..
im sure the rb will make much more whp stock with just a boost controller, if thats what you’re looking for.
December 18th, 2005 at 9:21 pm
I see that this post is creating some heat. I will say that the Nissan motor is nothing to be sneezed at, but if it was my mustang, I would most certainly be putting a LS1 motor in there. Doubt the power of a LS1 in a mustang? Look no further. A fairmont is based on the fox chassis and shares suspension components with the mustang.
December 19th, 2005 at 9:59 am
I think that is awesome to see. I feel the same way when I see a old school datsun 240Z with a stroker V8 equipped with a snail shoe horned into it. I realize that the hardcore Ford fans are not gonna be to interested in this car, perhaps even offended. The RB26DETT is a beast. It can easily handle 500 hp without any type of internal modifications. There are some out there running 1600 whp.
This car/concept should appeal to anyone who likes fast cars. You can’t go wrong with twin turbos.
Can anyone tell me what kind of car this Nissan is racing?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8680702969864741214&q=nissan+300zx
I’m a big fan of all kinds of motor configurations - inline 4’s, 6’s - V8’s, V12’s, etc
But I’m really all about potent small dispacement motors - espeacially when they have boost.
December 19th, 2005 at 10:52 am
Sounds like a SBC running an x-pipe. I think that the car in the far lane is a Camaro.
December 19th, 2005 at 11:31 am
cant believe this would categorize as “rice” in the first place.
December 19th, 2005 at 1:03 pm
True, the “rice” designation is usually reserved for things that are tacky and slow. A mustang is hardly tacky and a Skyline motor is far from slow.
December 19th, 2005 at 1:31 pm
HAHAH! THat will teach u stupid muscle car drivers where the real power comes from. LOL!
December 19th, 2005 at 8:14 pm
Sorry, this is RICE. The cars been defiled, burn it.
A ricer motor in a Mustang IS rice, hp doesn’t make it cool. Rice is a style or trend and it sucks. Of course it will appeal to stupid kids with their pants halfway down their butts just like those POS movies.
What ever dumb ass did this should be thrown in Tookies old cell.
I’d rather see a Chevy motor in there, like that 10 second Fairmont (good job).
Good old fashion push rod AMERICAN V8. No silly ass blowers plopped on limp wristed motors.
December 19th, 2005 at 8:56 pm
One point I would like to make is that Ford no longer makes a push rod v8, Ford v8s are all sohc and dohc now.
A 5.0 liter out of a Fox body would be a cool upgrade, but I am not a huge fan of the 4.6 liter Fords of late. They can be built to make good power, but I feel that they are far less reliable then the the General’s ls1 design.
December 20th, 2005 at 9:38 am
I agree that the “ricer” trend is retarded and tacky. I can’t help but laugh when I see a front wheel drive car with a HUGE spoiler on the trunk lid. But just because it comes from Japan doesn’t mean that its rice.
Have you ever seen a truck on the road with every possible accessory from the catalogue? We all have - and it looks ridiculous - is their a name for that?
I’m not a big fan of the fast n furious series but I am looking forward to seeing this car in the new movie.
December 20th, 2005 at 1:34 pm
A wise man once said “Horsepower sells a car. Torque makes it go.” Remember that when you’re comparing an RB26 to a V8.
December 20th, 2005 at 2:13 pm
I second that.
I hope the brains behind this fall off a large cliff and live to feel the pain of a humungas hippo eating them limb from limb.
PS: DIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIE!!!!!111oneoneoneone!11
December 20th, 2005 at 5:11 pm
I guess its just japan returning the favor of us americans putting our V8s into classic Zs.
Still would rather have a twin turbo 427 in there.
The exausht looks like crap, but other then that it looks good.
December 20th, 2005 at 7:29 pm
Actually its “Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races”
December 20th, 2005 at 7:35 pm
“Horsepower sells a car. Torque makes it go” That wise man was an idiot. Horsepower is just Torque multiplied by rotational speed, and since cars have these fancy things called “gears” rotational speed doesn’t mean jack. If you have more horsepower, you will go faster, just make sure you keep the engine in the power band.
There is no comparison between an old ford V8 and that Nissan motor. The nissan is lighter, smaller, more efficient, and a hell of a lot more powerful. It will be better at everything, drag racing, road, street, anything. The only thing the ford motor is beter at is burning gas and spitting out harmful emitions.
I can’t for the life of me figure out why so many Americans are so insanly attached to old crappy engines. Caurburation and push rods were outdated 50 years ago, get over them.
December 20th, 2005 at 9:39 pm
I’m sorry man, but the fart cannon alone on the back of that car makes it rice. True story, nuff said…
December 20th, 2005 at 10:57 pm
indeed the exhaust looks like crap.
dont categorize one of the top import motors capable of more hp stock with a simple boost controller than your v8s will ever make. STOCK.
rice isnt defined as 600+hp on stock internals.
rice is defined as like above, tacky and pointless accessorizing.
I dont know how much tq. figures a V8 would show stock,
but we “ricers” all know RB comes to par with almost any motor out there.
also, take into consideration that RB motors are inline 6, compared to the domestic V8
December 20th, 2005 at 11:32 pm
More information about the RB-26
More about the the biggest Ford Engine availible for a 1968 mustang
Gen III GM Smallblock (LS1)
You will note that in stock form the Gen III GM motors have the highest horsepower numbers, they also are the lighest, but I am biased towards GM motors, I however, have nothing good to say about their modern cars.
Oh and here is a site with a supra and a mustang that someone grafted together.
I also remember seeing a webpage with a 65 chevelle with a supra motor installed in it, but I can’t remember where and I am unable to find it again.
December 21st, 2005 at 6:09 am
Nobody is debating the horspower potentials of that nissan motor…but what you idiots dont get is this, You take the same amount of money it takes to build that 600 horsepower nissan motor and dump it into a nice 350 or 400 small block and youll be pumping out nearly twice as much horsepower…not to mention a shitload more torque. Gee, I Guess thats why top fuelers build monster big block V8’s and not nissan 6’s. Sure the nissan motors are powerful but they dont belong in a classic mustang. Sure people may throw SBC’s in old Z’s but I dont believe in that. And by the way….who the hell wants to see a mustang that sounds like BUZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzBUzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzBUzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
December 21st, 2005 at 11:25 am
Nice….I love it
December 21st, 2005 at 12:12 pm
The rice crowd can defend their engines and cars all they want but here is the truth. Japanese cars WILL NEVER achieve the type of acceptance as a good old classic American car. 30 years from now you won’t see a 2005 Nissan at a classic car show. Know why this is? Because Japanese cars lack soul. Japanese are very effective at building advanced components that can keep up with the best of them. I don’t think anyone could argue otherwise. However no matter how hard they try, nothing they produce has any sort of human feeling expressed in it.
Think I’m crazy? Compare some machinery and it’s quite evident. A Japanese Zero is functional and efficient, but look at it, a fuselage, engine, and cockpit. If a 5 year old drew a plane, that’s what it’d look like. No fuse, just function. Compare it to a P41 Mustang or a Spitfire. Not only are they effective planes, but just by looking at them you see the designer put some style into the design. A little bit of himself you might say. Compare a new Honda street bike to a Harley Davidson. Sure the Honda can beat it in any situation but which would you prefer in your garage? The heritage, the look, the sound of a Harley wins every time. Compare a “classic” ‘72 Toyota Celica to a classic ‘72 Corvette. Do I even have to go there?
Try as they might, the Japanese can’t do it. They can’t buy it, they can’t feel it, and they can’t comprehend it. As the saying goes, often imitated, never duplicated. And if you the reader can’t understand what I’m saying then you don’t get it either. You’ve bought into the notion that dependability equals styling and soul. You’ve been brainwashed to believe that jellybean shaped body panels, automatic transmissions, beige exteriors, gray interiors, and a slightly worked V6 is automotive nirvana. It’s not your fault. Heck Detroit has lost it’s way and shoveled us the same crap as well since they see how well the Japanese have been doing with this concept. I can only hope that we as a nation wake up and want more than just an appliance to move us from point A to B. Seeing designs like the new Mustang gives me hope that Detroit is waking up from it’s coma.
If your into the Japanese movement then good for you. Everyone shouldn’t be into the same thing. I bet you import guys like vanilla ice cream too. I prefer chocolate with a big cherry and whip cream on top.
December 21st, 2005 at 2:23 pm
Just to update the description of this motor, It is an RB26DETT meaning Race Built 2.6l Dohc Electric fuel injected Twin Turbo. It came from the R32-R34 (not just the R32, and R33) Skyline GTR, It’s an Inline 6 iron block/ aluminum head that was equipped with individual throttle bodies. Also the only generation that came with the 6spd transmission is the R34, the R32 and the R33 came with a 5spd. This motor stock comes with 280hp. On the stock twins alone this motor has been taken up to 500hp with little modification other then advancing the boost, larger FMIC, downpipe, exhuast, advancing the timing, and running a engine management. Now if we are talking about stock internals, I am sorry, but they have been taken way past the 600hp mark that some one has already claimed on one of the posts. Highest amount of power made on an RB26 was on a tube frame B12 Nissan Sentra. It made 945hp and 1117 lbs./tq. Ran a best time of 7.787@176mph. Now if you are wondering the stats on this vehicle, well here they go:
Stock block
Stock connecting rods
Stock head gasket
Stock cylinder head
Stock cams
Stock cam gears
Stock timing belt
Stock crank
Stock intake manifold
So with stock internals he made 1117 lbs./tq and ran a 7.78 in the 1320ft….now how many other cars can you recall that can run that fast on stock internals?….I didn’t think so. These blocks can easily be taken to 1000hp on stock internals and there goes the proof. What other motor other then an Inline 6 (being the RB or 2jz) do you know that can handle that much hp on stock internals?
I do think it is quite funny how you guys think that it is rice….What makes this car rice? Motor is not rice, because compared to a domestic motor, these motors (RB’s) are actually fine quality piece of work compared to the domestic V8’s that you see out there. If you do not agree with me, then please link me to the highest hp achieved on a stock V8 block. Remember we are talking 2 less cylinders and normally half the displacement then the common V8. You guys love using the word rice, because it is simply new to you guys and you can not grasp the concept of it yet, because you guys know absolutely nothing about how much power can be achieved with some of the imported motors that we are running today.
I love the last comment made about how much these motors cost to build, because it is an incorrect statement. I myself have an RB25 (which is the single turbo 2.5l version of the RB series) in a Nissan 240sx. I have fully built the bottom end with all forged internals and have every aftermarket bolt on (turbo, intake manifold, injectors, fuel rail, fuel pump, fuel management (full stand alone), FMIC, etc…..list goes on….) and I am still under $6000, that includes any where from cost of the motor, forged internal parts, machine work, suspension, drag radials with wider rims, lsd, full 3.74” stainless steel exhaust, etc…Car is easily capable of 650hp and would be easily capable of 750-800hp once if I were to upgrade the turbo, fuel pump, and injectors. Now remember 650hp+ in a car that weighs 2750lbs and the right traction is easily capable of 10’s.
What is so wrong with this guy throwing one of these inside his mustang?….first off it is his car, get your own car and do what ever you would like to it, because that is all he is doing. The swap is unique, it is clean, and from the pictures it looks like it is done right. I don’t think this guy has any plans of being a top fueler (like commented before) any time soon. He probably wanted a RELIABLE motor with the amount of power he planned on having (and my guess is that he has a turbonetics T67 on there and is running around the 600-700hp mark) and what other motor to have then an RB, 2jz, or 1jz?. I will admit that domestic motors can make plenty of hp at a decent price, but I didn’t go that easy route out mainly because I knew that the RB could take me were I wanted to go for just as cheap and it would be more reliable.
December 22nd, 2005 at 2:53 am
Find a truck chevy big block from the junkyard ( 454 ), change in a new cam meant for higher RPM’s, headers and keep the stock heads. Bolt on a supercharger. Add two of your favorite carburetors. Call it a day. Will take a hell of a lot less money than any twin turbo piece of crap import.
December 22nd, 2005 at 10:47 am
You will never convince a muscle head. I am on both sides. If you want to go in a straight line buy american, if you want to take a turn and maybe drift, buy anything else. I have my american pride, but american cars are just soo out-dated. Example: new mustang with solid axle. Tell me that was designed to handle.
December 22nd, 2005 at 11:36 am
This is rediculous. If you read about the movie, youll find that it originally has a 427 FE motor in it. That RB26 doesnt belong in the same area code as that motor. Its a disgrace to Domestic cars everywhere.
December 22nd, 2005 at 1:04 pm
I’m sorry but if taking one of the most efficient and stoutly factory built engine out of one of the worlds GREATEST SUPER CARS is ‘rice’ then someone needs to stop topping off their Ensure with grandpas cough syrup. People fear what they dont know and what threatens what they do know. I’m sorry if the 289/302 over rated underpower peices of crap that would require thousands of $$ in internal work to even compete with the levels of power that that RB is capable of STOCK. Sure it comes from Japan. But your ‘American’ V8’s hail straight outta Mexico. I don’t know but I’d take my chances with Japanese quality control before I trust something made in Tijuana. It’s funny how many people are so ignorant into believing that because every punk kid with a Honda thinks hes a racer that this makes all imports crap. How many cars are still using that peice of crap live axle we see in the back of our beloved mustang, to this day? No doubt, the LS1 is a powerhouse, and I’d take one over an RB any day of the week. But when people start spitting out names of motors from 30 years ago that put out 4x the displacement of this RB and less HP, it just makes me laugh. Oh and the specs above are wrong. The RB came in the skyline GTR32, 33, 34. And it put out 320HP stock. Turn up the boost and you’re showing most “Muscle” cars the ass end of a beautiful, technologically advanced peice of machinery. Hell, without even turning up the boost you’re probably doing that anyways. Oh and then you’ve got to mention the all wheel drive and all wheel steering. There is not an american muscle car that can hang with the Skyline GTR with the exception of the Viper and the new Vette (maybe). So before you jump to the conclusion that something is rice, why not take a moment and educate yourself before you go and make yourself look more ignorant than you already are. Peace. Oh and no, I don’t drive a Honda :p
December 22nd, 2005 at 2:38 pm
Slayn…..please show me a link that works proving that an american v8 has hit a higher mark then the 945hp…1117lbs./tq. with stock internals?….please show me. Otherwise, shut up and sit down, becuase you can not call it a piece of crap if it is stronger and can make much more power on stock internals….don’t try and make any excuse or change the subject…becuase the only way to prove me wrong is to find real evidence of a v8 going over 945hp on stock internals.
Thank you
December 22nd, 2005 at 3:43 pm
ColdBastrd, I have to say that is one of the most closed-minded views I’ve ever seen. Not only is your statement that Japanese cars lack soul untrue but the fact that you think thirty years from now people will be ignoring 2005 Nissans at a classic car show is simply ridiculous. I can understand your deep-seeded hatred for Japanese cars, it’s pretty common among muscle car enthusiasts, but determining whether or not Japanese cars will be showcased at classic car shows in the future requires looking at who will be attending these shows. Thirty years from now the majority of muscle car owners/enthusiasts will be long gone, and the people with the most money will be today’s ricers. They will all grow up and grow out of their immaturity, but they will still like the same kinds of cars, and will still feel nostalgic when they see an old Skyline or 350Z. Just look at SEMA. Something that used to be a muscle car show is filled with Hondas and Nissans and Mazdas and ugly cars with huge rims and all kinds of flashy garbage that only a ricer could love (to be honest I was pretty disappointed). What I’m saying is that whether or not you agree, there are plenty of people out there who love Japanese cars and when all the muscle car fanatics are gone the ricers will still be middle-aged.
Your idea that Japanese cars lack soul is something that I can only assume is a result of inexperience with Japanese cars or stubbornness. I agree that some Japanese cars lack soul, there are plenty of sedans and SUVs out there that are simply commuter cars meant to be driven to and from work every day, and to the grocery store on weekends. If you’re complaining about these Japanese cars not having soul then I have to point out that there are just as many American cars out there with no soul. If you try to tell me a Ford Focus has soul, or that a Chevy Cavalier is a good car by any stretch of the imagination, then obviously your views on soul are very twisted.
Yes some American cars have soul, but just as many have no soul at all, and the same can be said about Japanese cars. If you drive an Integra Type-R on the track, or an S2000 you will understand Japanese soul. Integra Type-Rs are the best performing front wheel drive cars in the world, and they’re a blast to drive on the track, even stock. S2000s, 300ZXs, Twin Turbo RX-7s, Supra TTs, Skylines, all these cars have plenty of soul, you just need to get behind the wheel of one to feel it.
What you also have to remember is that we don’t even get some of the best Japanese cars in North America. Chances are you’ll never even get a chance to drive some of the best cars from Japan. Honestly, saying Japanese cars lack soul is like saying German cars lack luxury.
Your arguments sound like they’re based on bias and assumptions, and it doesn’t look good.
December 22nd, 2005 at 4:32 pm
It’s just as much a disgrace to put in V8 in an old Z as this is.
The only rice on this car is the exhaust and yet it’s actually not rice seeing it actually makes the spool time lower with higher flower of exhaust that a single big direct exhaust makes.
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:24 pm
The only 302 blocks that came from mexico were the mexican blocks. (hey)
The windsor blocks have been around for more then 40 years, ford kept them into production until they switched to the OHC MOD engines.
They are about the same weight as an RB engine, they are actually a lot lighter then an L series engine.
The 03 cobra MOD engine can make 1000hp on stock internals, but I dont see anybody praising it.
You can buy a set of pistons, rods, and a crankshaft for under $600 for a windsor engine’s bottom end and it will be set for just about any amount of power you can throw at it.
How much does it cost to import an RB engine from Japan?
I can assure you that you could build a 302 with a rock solid bottom end, great flowing heads, a streetable cam, and a twin turbo setup for it making over 800hp and 800ft/ibs of torque for the price of importing an RB and “tune” it to make even 400hp and this is a big and, it would belong in this car.
December 22nd, 2005 at 8:21 pm
I can’t believe all you guys saying the engine doesn’t “belong” in the car. If you’re gonna be that narrow-minded about it then the only engine that belongs in the car is: guess what? THE ENGINE THAT CAME WITH THE CAR.
Christ, it’s a fucking car, built by man, driven by man, modified by man. You can do ANYTHING with a car. Do you idiots watch Monster Garage and get upset because wings don’t “belong” on a Panoz? It’s a piece of machinery and whatever can be done to it is fair game, whether you like it or not.
If this was some guy who had on operation to give himself gills, or horns or something then the “doesn’t belong” argument would be pertinent, but saying an engine doesn’t belong in a car is the most retarded thing I’ve ever heard. You guys act like you’ve been personally insulted and that this is some freak of nature, that it goes against God to put a Japanese engine in an American car. Get over yourselves, people. If Ford had designed that motor you would all be creaming your pants right now.
December 22nd, 2005 at 10:32 pm
Your thoughts on how a car has soul are misguided as are a lot of posts here. What gives cars a soul really? Are you equating speed and handling to soul?
I can only assume that is what you mean by this:”they’re a blast to drive on the track, even stock…..all these cars have plenty of soul, you just need to get behind the wheel of one to feel it”. I can only assume after reading this that you have little experience with American cars. I’m talking classic iron not modern. I think I made that somewhat clear in my post. See because what we have here is a classic ride with a new heart and that is what everyone is bickering about. Take a ‘67 427 Vette with sidepipes out for a cruise then go jump in a 300Z. The 300Z could terrorize the Vette. Hand it’s a$$ to it every which way from Sunday. But you’re going to tell me that the sound coming out the of the 300Z is better than hearing the noise coming out of the sidepipes? Are you going to tell me that rowing threw the gears of a old Muncie trans. doesn’t feel better than daintily selecting the gears of a modern 5 speed Mazda unit? Oh sorry new cars don’t use shifters anymore they use paddles. Just like your Xbox kids. Drive a Hemi Cuda then drive a RX-7 and then tell me which has more soul. Paaaaleaze.
Now onto the subject of a 2005 Nissan at a car show 30 years from now. Off the top of my head I will list 5 timeless American auto designs, then you come back and tell me 5 timeless Japanese auto designs.
1957 Chevy Bel Air
1965 Mustang Fastback
1932 Ford 5 window coupe
1967 Corvette
1969 Chevy Camaro
OK now your turn. Go ahead, off the top of your head. And don’t say a Datsun 240Z because that was a copy of the Ferrari 250 GTO. Heck it’s so close that there are kit car companies out there that make a conversion for it. Hmmm well let’s see, I bet you can’t. Because there isn’t any. Drive down the street in a classic car and see what kind of reaction you get. Kids with their mouths open, guys pulling up next to you to compliment you, girls waving. You think you’re going to get that same reaction 30 years from now rolling down the street in a 2005 Honda? Funny I don’t remember seeing any books at the book store with the title “Toyota: The Legend”.
Who the F cares how much horsepower your 4 cylinder can produce. Who the F cares how little money it’d take to make it go fast. That is not the point and I don’t think the “tuner” crowd can understand that. Look at one of the main things “tuners” buy. A big honkin’ sound system. You think a guy with a Cobra with a 427 side oiler even has a radio in his car? You don’t need it with the sounds and feelings you experiance while driving something like that. You guys who know soul, know what I’m talking about.
Why are people pi$$ed about this? Because your taking something that is a pure expression of human thinking and sterilizing it. An old Mustang with all it’s warts, all it’s faults, and all it’s problems is more in tune with what driving is ment to be than any Japanese car will ever be. It’s like resculpting Michael Angelo’s David with 24 inch biceps and 64 inch wide chest. Will he look better? Yeah probably. Will he look RIGHT? Probably not.
Oh CB your wrong, your bias. Go and compare junior. It’s obvious you’ve haven’t spent much time in anything other than rice rockets. And don’t assume you know anything about my experiences with automobiles.
December 22nd, 2005 at 11:48 pm
Stock internals doesnt mean shit. If your stock internals are crap, then theyre crap, big deal you replace them. There is a big debate in american V8’s between the mustang cobra motors with forged internals vs the GM’s LS1 which came with pretty craptacular internals that can only safely handle around 500hp. Stock vs stock, the Ls1 beats the supercharged piece of crap cobra engine, but the cobra engines have strong stock internals and can be upgraded to handle a crapload of boost. The LS1 is better stock, and has more potential, but it limited by the fact that it will start blowing shit up past a certain threshold. Stock. Guess what? You can upgrade pistons, connecting rods, and cranks. Pretty cheap too. It aint hard. Especially on older chevy’s, where you can not only upgrade what you put inside, but stroke the crap out of V8’s to get even more hp/torque.
And where the hell did anyone provide a link that shows anything about all this shit with this nissan engine? Ive heard a lot of crap sputtered about 1000 hp and all stock heads/cam/internals/blah blah, but I dont see any evidence of all this. And wikipedia isnt evidence, I hope you know, that site is reliable as shit.
December 23rd, 2005 at 12:27 am
I just posted the Wikipedia link as a baseline, not at gospel. I will second Slayn. someone post a link to a 1000hp Skyline. I have been hearing this for years, but I have yet to see one anywhere other then my Sony playstation. I do not want a link to a Supra with 1000hp I have already seen one of those in person.
A Mustang with a Ford under the hood.
On a second note: Keep the number of f-bombs to a minimum, they don’t help your arguments and I don’t want to censor anyone.
December 23rd, 2005 at 2:17 am
There are tons of Skylines that are 1000HP…Some have even run on stock internals. Search yourself on google or yahoo.
Someone wanted to know what a RB26 cost, you can get one used for 3 grand or new for like 6 grand here in the US. RBmotoring (US company) had a 900hp daily driven skyline but they sold it.
December 23rd, 2005 at 5:47 am
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3106147659441220968&q=skyline
December 23rd, 2005 at 11:16 am
Cold Bastard - did you really compare a Hemi Cuda to a RX-7 or is that a type-o?
5 timeless Japanese designs
1967 Datsun 2000 roadster - first 5 speed Japanese sports car
1976 Datsun 280z or 300 - take your pick
1992 Nissan Maxima SE - Hemmings Sports & Exotic Car magazine had a recent article that showcased 25 Japanese Collectibles and this was one of them
1996 Nissan 300ZX
Any Nissan Skyline
2005 Nissan 350Z - 35 annv edition
Any Toyota Supra - especially the 96 Twin Turbo
1992 Toyota turbo MR-2
1994 Toyota Celica All Trac Turbo
1999 Acura integra Type R
Acura NSX
Yes - The Mazda RX-7 - any gen
Subaru Impreza WRX
Mitsui Lancer EVO
Pick any 5 you want
I love the rumble of a big V8 - also love the hissing and spitting sounds that a turbo makes. Either way, windows are down and sound system is off.
My dream car which is obtainable is a Noble M12 - zero to 60 in 3.9 seconds with a Twin Turbo 3 Litre engine made by who? Ford!!!
December 23rd, 2005 at 2:47 pm
There are so many 1000hp+ RB’s out there that it is hard to keep track. Greatest part about the whole thing is these motors have only been around for 15 years and just recently tested and tuned to a high potential. How many years have your common V8’s been around and how long have americans been tuning them?…..65 years +….we are already on your ass with the potential level with 2-4 less the cylinders and a hell of a lot less displacement. You have to love hard headed domestics like most of you here. Some of the higher end japanese motors are very quality motors compared to domestics. Yes you say that stock internals do not matter, but that is incorrect, becuase it shows the quality of the motor and quality of a motor is qaulity of design as well.
Want another 1000hp+ RB….alright well here goes another one:
http://www.exvitermini.com/movies/jumpoff.mpg
ever see a awd that is properly strapped down with even multiple extra straps and 4 people on the car to try and keep it down on the ground…but it still can not stay on the dyno?….oh yeah that is right, it is just a weak ricer powerless jap motor.
This car has 1,350bhp and has run a best time of 8.273 (calculated to be only at a 66% power potential on that run) http://www.exvitermini.com/movies1104/GTR700-DragCombatFinal.avi
December 23rd, 2005 at 5:33 pm
Here are some videos and facts:
R34 Z-tune (quickest production car made (10.003):
http://www.vodcars.com/media/videos/videos_player.php?vidid=470
Decently quick GTR:
Second Fastest GTR (7.92):
http://media.putfile.com/Reece-McGregor-R32-GTR-792–256kmh-14-mile
Fastest R33 GTR is the HKS’s R33, it ran a 7.76@181.98. (this was done on street legal tires
)
Fastest RB26 is the HKS 180sx and it has recently run a 7.0@198 )
December 24th, 2005 at 2:01 am
coldbastrd, you’re so full of it..
you seem to compare the ones you know from the american heritage, however you dont seem to know alot about the japanese heritage.
you might say your 72 cobra or whatever has “soul” for the americans, but the same applies to the first and 2nd gen of the skylines, as well as many other cars that i can’t think of the names of.
everyone is pretty biased and being a racist here.
everyone on this stupid little e-arguement loves cars.
whats the difference whether its a japanese, european, or american car?
the fact you people call the import enthusiasts “ricers” is just unacceptable.
its basically like saying you domestic enthusiasts are hardheaded or whatever others call you.
this is on the level of all car enthusiasts.
stop hating, all of you.
i know nothing of the american cars, so i’ll back the nissan motor, however im sure there are both + and - of the two repectively.
doesnt matter who wins this arguement online, you’d all be retards if you kept going on with this meaningless arugement
December 24th, 2005 at 8:11 am
Timeless - (tÄ«m’lÄs) Unaffected by time; ageless.
Seriously dude are you saying that the cars on your list are timeless?? I’d say most on the list are dated at this point. Some of the newer ones I’d say fall under the category of Japanese in-the-minute quirky styling. And the rest I’d say, yeah alright maybe they aren’t bad looking and got some nuggets, but I wouldn’t say they are timeless. I bet your the same kind of guy who says Whateverthename baseball player who breaks Babe Ruth’s home run record is greater than the Babe. You’ll go on about how baseball was differant back in the day and how if the Babe was alive today, he’d suck. You know what? Whateverthename baseball player ain’t as great as the Babe! Leonard DiCaprio is a good actor. They like to say he’s the “modern day Marlon Brando”. Guess what? He ain’t no Marlon Brando! Mr. Qualye, you sir are no John F. Kennedy! Sorry kids, you have to go back to 1988 to understand that reference.
Look we can all go on about this till the end of time. Post lots of impressive numbers and horsepower ratings. To each his own. Neither side will win. Cause you see folks, some people look at the Mona Lisa and just see a homely lady with a half crooked smile and some look at a velvet Elvis poster and see a masterpiece.
December 24th, 2005 at 9:18 am
This argument is devolving a bit, I don’t think that anyone is making personal attracts, and the last couple of comments have been pretty solid with evidence, clear points, and have kept name calling, etc to a minimum.
Nobody here has stated their race or country of origin so I don’t think that it is safe to make the assumption that people are being racist, or that all the domestic backers are even Americans.
When I posted the pictures of the Nissan RB Motor in a 1968 Ford Mustang Fastback I knew that it would get a response and I am glad it did. It shows that people coming to this website have passion and are not afraid to let it be know.
I think that some are leery of applying the term “classic” to Japanese cars because Japanese car makers were just getting going at the time when GM and Ford were putting out some of their best work. This dynamic has however changed a bit over the last 3 decades and GM and Ford no longer dominate the automotive market.
I think that some of the reason for this decline comes from mistakes made by GM and Ford, but I also feel that part of this decline comes from the fact that Japanese auto makers continued to innovate and make cars that consumers want.
I personally like the RB Motor more then I like a Ford 289, but the RB motor does have the advantage of some things that simply did not exist at the time of the 289. For example, transistorized ignition, computer control, sequential fuel injection, and some many more things that I can’t think of right now.
Here is a Ford engine that makes some power thanks to some modern upgrades.
December 29th, 2005 at 7:57 am
the thing that needs to be realized here is that the movie in question will be the downfall of civilization as we know it (as if the first movie didn’t do enough damage to america’s youth). it will be an even bigger pile of trash than the last two and no amount of cool cars will be able to counteract that.
December 30th, 2005 at 8:56 am
I think its cool,rb26 is a great motor,makes crazy hp with light mods, all u muscle heads need to knock the dust off your dicks and step into the present.They have been putting v8’s into miatas, z’s, and RX7′S, like i own ,im not boo hooing about it! grow up.I do think the car could have a more low key pipe on it,maybe some of those new 20′ inch mustang wheels i see on the 05’s. But it looks like a nice swap to me.And with that turbo atleast 500+whp.
December 30th, 2005 at 4:01 pm
If you don’t like the swap (I personally don’t have strong emotions on it), fine, but the RB26 engine certainly isn’t rice. It is ironic that some muscle guys blindly hate on imports and call import drivers that blindly hate on domestics “ricers.” The way I see it, you’re no better than the ricers driving neon Hondas. I personally drive an import but I appreciate cars for their performance, not for their root (domestic, japanese, european, whatever). I appreciate and understand the muscle guys’ respect for the heritage and their displeasure w/ the swap (the abomination known as FF is another topic), just as I respect the heritage of my beloved Nissan. It is sad that more people cannot appreciate different approaches to car designing and are blinded by their narrowmindedness.
December 30th, 2005 at 4:04 pm
PS: Arguing about styling is like arguing about your favor color, it is too subjective for anyone to really make sound arguments - ie: the Brits will always love the European cars, Americans will love the good ol’ muscle cars, import enthusiasts will always think the Rx7 FD is the pinnacle of car design (gross generalizations, but you get my point).
January 1st, 2006 at 6:51 pm
First of all this mustang is now junk!!!. Who and why would anyone take a piece of american history like a mustang and put an off shore built engine between the rails.
Yeah it took alot of thought but did anyone think thats one more mustang that a true car builder cant get now!! Any real car builder not import techs will feel the same way if it came american leave it american if it came from anywhere else send it back!!! Americans build cars Japanese buy them. Offshore stuff is fast thats not the arguement but its a real kick in the balls to mix them. Its to different hobbies lets see a ricer run for the ridler award it will never happen because hotrodders wont let it!!!!!bottom line this is one subject where the two objects will never work car builders please dont try this again leave this abortion to hollywood big wigs and let them look stupid!!!!!!
January 2nd, 2006 at 1:38 pm
LOL The mustang king of the streets was won by Mahdavi motorsports…….an import shop in atlanta that mainly builds 500hp civics,supas,and rx7s..cars are cars,if its yours do what the hell u want to with it.
January 4th, 2006 at 7:09 pm
You can hot rod any car, make serious horsepower and go fast. The ricers and their souped up mosquito’s will never have the true status of American Icons. Horsepower and torque are much higher than the little motors and they can take a much better beating, they sound mean, are fast and powerful. The sound of a pumped V8 with a loping cam and snarling exhaust is awesome and commands repect from all who hear.If the rear end doesn’t move around during a smoky burnout it’s not a real car, it’s a little econobox, a high volume, mass production gas sipper for senior citizens, school students, nannys, girls, sheep herders and short men with short @#$@ who don’t know how to dress or have taste in music. The little Honda with the coffee can exhaust is like a mosquito, it’s annoying and gets no respect.Ricers will never attain the status of American Musclecar’s and no jap engine deserves to be in any American Musclecar, what a waste.
January 5th, 2006 at 11:19 am
This dicussion is all over the place. The truth is “ricers” will always be trashing American cars with out the facts. Brain washed an thinking their cars are cool, an will beat, an is better than any American Muscel car….i.e Cameros, Mustangs, Corvettes, Cobras, GTOs, Chevelles, ‘Cudas, Novas, Fairlanes, the new Ford GT, Chargers….etc..etc… They watch too many movies an see to many ricer concepts/ drag cars funded by the manufacture and sponsers. Who ever races a front wheel or a gas saver is just a moron. They think, ricers, that their car can do the same thing. Horse power to horse power NO MODDING ….American Engines are the best an put out more Horse power than any ricer engine. NO EXCUSES. You get the best American production engine an the best ricer production engine stock for stock, NO MODS….Americans will have more! Most American engines are still built in AMERICA!! an you can still get a stock 302, 351 push rod from Ford. The American Muscel Cars will be around For Ever and those throw away gas saver ricer cars will never be as popular or get respect in America. The people who buy American are MUCH MORE RESPECTED!!! and know the Truth about their cars weather it be bad or good. Support America buy American. That Mustang should be returned to its former glory even if there was to be a Chevy engine in it. Its better than that P.O.S. ricer crap mod. An its not hard to take something that had all the testing done on it an start to produce something like it. It was stated before that the ricer toys caught up fast with the American Horse power. Well ricer boy most or all the hard work an testing was already done…buy AMERICANS!!! Take that engine out an put it in a miata or use it as a boat anchor then it would good.
January 5th, 2006 at 1:30 pm
Someone said this in a past post: “Just to update the description of this motor, It is an RB26DETT meaning Race Built 2.6l Dohc Electric fuel injected Twin Turbo.”
That means this motor wasn’t built with the same parts another 2.6l motor for Nissan was built, right? This one was actually built for a purpose of racing. Wouldn’t that be the same as a “race built” big block you see in funny cars and NHRA race cars? I mean, those motors are ‘race built’ using “stock” race purpose parts, right? A good example is the Saleen S7; it has 750 bhp @ 6300 rpm STOCK!!! So with some modifications, it too could have over 1,000 hp.
And as far as some Ford engines being built in Mexico, I’d rather have a Mexican block for racing purposes. They are made with much stronger materials and can withstand more punishment. Ask any true racer about that. Most drag racers who use stock 302 blocks look for the Mexican built ones because of their strength.
January 5th, 2006 at 2:07 pm
You all crack me up. It’s simply a matter of preference. I’ll be the first to say it’s a stupid swap but hey, that’s Hollywood. Remember Hollywood is the home of the weirdest people in the world. Kids that go out and put fart cannons on their Hondas are rice. In fact, all front wheel drive Hondas are rice in my opinion. Why? Because mommy and daddy buy junior a Honda and all junior can afford to do to it is stupid cheap mods.
I have owned many Mustangs and Corvettes and I would never put a Japanese engine in any of them. I now own one Skyline GTR R32, two Skyline GTR R33s, and one Silvia S15 Spec R and I would never put a domestic engine in any of them. It all boils down to what the owner wants to do with his or her car.
Now a few corrections from the previous posts. First, a RB26DETT engine can make more than approximately 600 WHP on stock internals but it isn’t going to last long. The factory HP rating for the engine was 280. Guys that are making big power are stroking their engines, changing pistons, cams, engine management, rods, bearings, injectors, fuel rails and pumps, oiling improvements, etc, etc. And those mods are expensive. Somebody compared a 1972 Celica to a 1972 Corvette. That’s a stupid comparison. The 1972 Celica was competing with the Pinto and Vega and I guarantee you the Celica was head and shoulders better than either of those Detroit disasters.
The car in the 3Fast3Furious is marketed as a 1967 Mustang where, in fact, it’s a 1968. They were beautiful cars but not impressive without enormous modifications.
But in conclusion, rice is cheap Honda stuff and not all imports in general. If you haven’t seen a GTR in action, you might want to investigate before calling a car of that caliber rice. Calling it rice is like standing in public calling yourself stupid.
January 5th, 2006 at 2:17 pm
Boris posted a link to the Skyline that has more that 1,000 hp. That car was built strickly for 1/4 mile racing. So that’s not a factory production car like the rest of the Skylines. And I’m pretty sure those internal parts they list at the end of the video aren’t the stock parts found on the RB26DETT. So if that’s the way we’re playing, then John Force’s Castrol Ford was built strickly for 1/4 mile racing too, and it produces 7,000 HP from it’s “stock” internals it was originally built with, and runs 4 sec. Does that mean that all production Mustangs are built with the same engines as Force’s? Obviously not.
Both cars are cool and both engines are cool too. Import or domestic, it’s a choice we all make for ourselves. The arguments here are two different ones: 1) is the mixing of two opposites tasteful or ‘respectful’ to the other? 2) which engine is better, stronger, dependable, ect.? just about everyone here is mixing both arguments together and that’s not helping in either argument. You got to keep them seperate.
January 6th, 2006 at 8:51 am
I have one thing to request that will end a arguments here. Go rent Detriot vs. Import from pay per view that they did a few years back.The ONLY import that won during the entire weekend was because the domestic that it went up against broke on the line. I suggest a genocide of all things “Rice rocketed”. They just dont measure up. I dont even race against them any longer because there is no challenge.
January 6th, 2006 at 1:23 pm
Steve, any contest can be stacked and straight line racing is the least meaningful of any type of racing. But of course, that’s all Detroit can attempt to build. (Something that last only a few seconds). I hope you aren’t suggesting that something you saw on TV should be considered the end all of end alls. If so, I’m sure you are convinced the world is coming to an end as networks grab your attention through sensational journalism. I used to love my Vettes and 5.0 Mustangs but the build quality is so poor I can’t afford to own one anymore. I mean, why by a $50,000.00 plus Corvette and constantly have to rent a car while the Vette is in the shop. I refer to my hammer as my Chevrolet tool because nothing fits on them so the hammer becomes the universal tool. Chevrolet - the heartbreak of America. Steve, I don’t doubt you don’t race imports anymore. If your racing a domestic, you’re probably walking.
January 20th, 2006 at 3:56 pm
Geoff you said that ford doesn”t make pushrod engines. Go to ford racing parts and you will find multiple pushrod engines 351’s for example. The engines are brand new and yes they dont put them in their autos anymore but the name of the game today is crate motors. Chevy started it with the original 350 and there still the best with the zz572 and the ls7. Also overhead cams are sufficient for rb’s but big bore engines need pushrods they just make more horses and especially torque. Take the ford lightnings 5.4 2 cam blowed, just 380 horses. But chevys pushrod ls2 at 6 litres and no blower makes 400 horses. Pushrods are just better. If it aint broke dont fix it!
January 20th, 2006 at 10:17 pm
You are forgetting one thing. American v8’s were produced with two things in mind. 1>cost factor 2>mass production
I doubt the rb26dett is powering 1/1000th of the cars a sbf or a sbc is powering. The 26 is an amazing engine, but it was produced with only one thing in mind. RACING. There are alot of ford 351 cleveland motors producing upwards of 800-900 horsepower NATURALLY ASPIRATED. Anerican’s are new to turbos, well, as far as the tuning world goes. Granted, there have been many guys in the mid to late 80’s that have dabbled in turbocharging, but it was not massively accepted to the end user/tuner world untill late 90’s. Now that the big boom has hit the market, and we get some tuning tech and design tech under our belts, you’ll see 2000whp cars that are driven on teh street.
Yes, you guys hear stories about the rb26dett producing 1xxx horsepower on the dyno, what it does not show is that teh car has to be pushed off the dyno. Those motors last 2-3 runs….end of story. The street loads your car differently than a dyno, sorry to say.
And for the ignorant ass who made the comment about american cars not handling, EVER HEAR OF THE GT-40….yes, the car who handed Ferrari it’s ass. How about this little company called Saleen???….Go search Maximum Motorsports’ website, see how they took a stock foxbody stang, with a stock engine, threw their suspension package on it, and ran the second fastest time EVER recorded through the slalom.
I hold no prefferance when it comes to cars. I have busted my knuckles on everything from Jaguars, to Audis, to Mercedes, to Fiats, hell you name it, i probably fixed it. I hold no loyalty to any brand. I currently own an Audi 90, 91 Stang Gt, 90 Probe GT,, A saab 900.
Might get flamed for the saab, but my first one made 330whp on an N/A 2.5 litre stroker motor.
STILL NOT DONE.
THE OTHER IGNORANT ASS who made the comment about Carburation being outdated technology. HAHAHHAHAH……it would cost me 1/2 as much to build a complete 1000hp carburated turbo’ed motor, as it would cost you for Injectors, manifold, stand-alone, throttle body, sensors, all the b/s taht goes into a f/i engine. Guess what?? When properly tuned, gas mileage won’t differ a great deal between the two engines.
January 22nd, 2006 at 3:12 pm
Check out the Hotrod Magazine Pump Gas Drags, notice something? All the fastest true street cars ( read: pump gas) are big american V8’s. Yes, you can make big power numbers on small boosted cars, but you’d better have race gas on hand, and enjoy terrible street manners. I have owned turbo cars in the past, and while they can be made to perform quite well, none can compare to the sound and feel of a healthy small block at WOT. That and where i’m from there are lots of big money rice cars out there, of which none cane really compete with the “dinosaur” V8 hotrods.
January 22nd, 2006 at 4:49 pm
i love the fact that all you old ass domestic loving grandpas think that the muscle cars have soul, and will be around forever…. i hate to break it to you, but once your generation finally dies off, your cars will too. When our generation becomes old and delusional (like you are now) then we will probably swear on the imports of our 20’s. Its just a shame that all of you are so closed minded and ignorant to the import scene now.
The import scene isnt just the annoying honda civics and integras driving around with fart can exhausts thinking they are fast. the import scene also includes the 6 second japanese cars (350z, supra, 300zx, etc)
I love it when you ride the #$%# of a bunch of outdated motors like they will always be the best… its all about technology now, its about being able to engineer great motors with high power, light weight, and reliability…. not just throwing more displacement and weight at the motor.
you guys are #$@# jokers.
January 23rd, 2006 at 12:40 pm
Man, I have gone through just about every emotion possible reading this whole thing. I love Muscle Cars and such, but this isn’t bad. I wouldn’t have done it, but then I would never want a 1st gen Mustang anyway (or any Mustang other than a fox, for that matter… and that only as a racecar).
For people to say that Japanese cars are slow, cookie cutter, econoboxes driven by 16 year old kids with baggy pants and sideways hats is just as ignorant as saying all US cars can only go in a straight line and are operated by tatooed mullet wearing rednecks. Yes, the stereotypes have to come from somewhere, and feel free to hate these people… I do. BUT there are plenty of good handling nice American cars. There is the Corvette Z06… ummmmm…. well there is the Corvette Z06 :). And as far as old school jap cars… they have PLENTY of soul. Look at a Toyota 2000GT and tell me you’d rather have a ‘72 vette… really. Now you will say that jsut because of your mindset.
Now for the other side… you import people, look at an old Z and compare it with a ‘70 Chevelle 454SS LS6… again, you’d SAY you’d take the Z, just because you are stubborn, but we all know that that 2000GT and the Chevelle is worth a TON more than what I compared it to. There are gems from both sides.
Had I gotten into this a year or so ago, I would have been staunchly on the American side, however I have recently been converted, and had to deal with my own car prejudices.
I recently got into a 2005 GTO, the object of much redicule here in the states by GTO fanatics and ‘tards that think its a Grand Prix/Grand Am/Cavalier/Cobalt. I don’t even associate it with the GTO’s of old anymore… it’s heritage is firmly rooted in Australia. The old Monaros were the same formula… small 2 door aussie cars with american small blocks. It didn’t get much better. Now I have a car that people all over the world GLADLY pay twice what I did for, but still people hate it here, simply because pontiac tried something new. Nowadays people want “retro” bullshite, because its classic, “timeless.” Well there was a time when the Mustang was NEW and revolutionary. The Corvette was something new and untried in America… and where did the idea come from? THEY COPIED THE IMPORT FAD!!! only this fad was from Ye Olde England. Young guys, just coming back from the war wanted small, light, good handling cars (sound familiar?) so they bought British cars. To capitalize on this fad, we were given one of the greatest cars of all time.
***So cliff note time… Retro sucks, imports are ok, and MY CAR ISN’T A CAVALIER!!!***
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:00 pm
V8 > *
V8’s are the fastest motors in the world. Don’t even try and argue.
January 23rd, 2006 at 7:18 pm
[quote]V8 > *
V8’s are the fastest motors in the world. Don’t even try and argue.
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I love the use of a wildcard, the Internet version of good old fashion shit talking. Brings of fond memories of compilers back in the old college days.
January 24th, 2006 at 12:16 am
Quote (Originally posted by Geoff Chandler):
[i]I love the use of a wildcard, the Internet version of good old fashion shit talking. Brings of fond memories of compilers back in the old college days.[/i]
Yeah, thats been around a while. Like SSTony > * (if you were around in the 80’s you should know SSTony… we’ve speculated that in the 80’s SSTony did in fact reach, and surpass rock star status). And explain to SlowLX that “!=” means “is not equal.” He didn’t believe me.
Oh and in the spirit of “on topic”, Australian cars > all of y’all’s slow turds.
January 25th, 2006 at 1:10 pm
Man, It always amazes me to see supposed automotive enthusiasts in a contest to see who can be more closed minded, insulting, and just plain asshats when it comes to what cars “should” and “shouldn’t” be.
This car is a Mustang. One of a couple hundred thousand produced that year, many of which had 6 cyl engines in them, stock. And even with the rare, special, collectable versions, none are religious icons that can be defiled. They are bits of machinery made by man. Any “soul” they have comes from the people who built them, and I daresay a handbuilt custom has more “soul” than ANY mass produced assembly line appliance.
Anyone who complains that the car wasn’t designed to have that engine in there should also complain about ANY change: aftermarket cams, aftermarket suspension bits, aftermarket wheels an tires, aftermarket paint. But then again, if the factory did it right the first time, they’d never improve it the following year… ALL mass produced cars are compromises.
I’ve put american engines in Japanese cars, and am putting a Japanese engine in a classic American car (a Lexus 4 liter DOHC aluminum V8, in fact). It’s a hobby, it’s fun, and that’s what it’s supposed to be about. You want something different, you pay to build it yourself. Complaining about what other peple do to mechanical devices they own, because you wouldn’t have done it that way, is childish at best, and the epitome closed minded ignorance and hateful intolerance.
I’ve been playing with American, Japanese and European cars for almost 3 decades (ever since I was 14), and they all can be fun parts of the hobby. ALL have rich, varied histories, especially when it comes to motorsports.
So, why is it that being closed minded haters is such a valuable goal for people? Is it that people aren’t allowed to be racist bigots anymore so they transfer all that ignorant hate over to cars?
Why do people have to hate on things that aren’t their favorites in order to justify HAVING those favorites? Why is that expression of opinion so important? In all my years on automotive forums I run across all sorts of variations on this behavior. And invariably the people that know the most about cars, tend to exhibit this behavior the least. And invariably, the people that argue loudest that it’s their right to act this way, know the absolute least.
I don’t know. I’ve just never found it that hard to be able to enjoy the rush of a torquey big block pushing you off the line in a roar of thunder, and turn around and enjoy the rip of a small engine winding up and flinging you forward. I have no problem driving classic American muscle and modern Japanese sport coupes. I can drive a slow lowrider as easily as a full race Sports GT. A showcar built for artistic expression is as valid as a race car built for pure speed. I enjoy the feel of a good manual shifter, and the speed and power use of a good automatic. FWD, AWD, RWD doesn’t matter, as long as the car is doing the job that’s asked of it. A couple tenths of a second difference in accelleration figures isn’t enough to crown one car the ultimate and it’s competitor an utter pile of crap. And a few seconds difference in accelleration isn’t enough to make me not want to drive a car on the street. And who else owns a car isn’t enough of an excuse to drive or not drive an example of that car. Same goes for where it’s from, or where PARTS of it are from.
But so many people I talk to lately, especially young or inexperienced people (i.e. they’ve only driven one kind of car their whole life), seem completely and utterly incapable of seeing that all of them are mass produced mechanical devices, and that while their favorite might be perfect for them, other choices are not POS simply because they are not their first choice. Whether it’s import drivers hating “low tech domestics,” Domestic drivers hating “rice rockets” or Euro drivers thinking anything else is a low class POS, it’s all the end result of the same thing.
So why is it so prevalent? Tribal behavior?
This is the point I’ve made on may sites. “My family is better than their family. My school is better than their school. My team is better than their team. My community is better than their community. My state or nation is better, etc.” Even people who don’t want to be affiliated with a club or community or society are trying to fit in with others who are also trying not to fit in with that club, community or society.
Once a favorite is picked, championing that favorite seems to mean that you HAVE to loudly proclaim how much everything else sucks.
The irony is that my favorite is striving for knowledge, and the goal of NOT striving for knowledge sucks.
*I* have favorite cars. But I can appreciate all kinds of cars, from imports to domestics, from new to old, from fast to slow. Stock and custom (and even art cars), even if the customizing isn’t something I would do myself.
And this Mustang, thogh difernt than how I’d have built it, is an excellent performance car, faster than a stock example, and the only thing that some have to complain about is that the particular method of exploding dead dinosaurs is a mass of metal that traces it’s linage back to a country of origin different than the car originally came from. Bitching about that as though it’s a religious icon that has been defiled is just LAME.
January 26th, 2006 at 9:39 am
ChrisV I agree with you. In fact the quest for knowledge is why I created the Hot Rod Homepage in the first place.
February 1st, 2006 at 9:49 am
let me just say this you 4 cylinder can talk about all this hp all you want but, unless you sit in v8 with over 700ft lbs of torque you don’t know anything. The g forces will literally snap your neck backwards
February 3rd, 2006 at 3:14 pm
If this “RB” motor was soo great and made all that power why dont you see more people swapping it into their little japanese compacts that originally had a 4 banger?? why? because it probably isnt practical..”3 grand used”..yea ok, you dont know what your getting..and “6 grand new”, what does that consist of? a short block? plus add all of the accessories i.e. turbos., that’ll add up quick..ya gotta have some kind of power adder for that motor..to make it anything spectacular..thanks to the strong aftermarket, you can take any 302 and do basically the same shit to it as your inline 6 and you’ll come out on top everytime with the ford and still have money to burn.
February 7th, 2006 at 6:41 am
Just in case anyone wanted to know here is a LS1 Stock bottom end with over 700RWHP http://www.gmhightechperformance.com/features/0602htp_sp/
I think someone also said that ford no longer makes a pushrod V8. I think they forgot about the F150 Lighting it is a 5.4 liter Triton V8 Overhead Valve. I am not biased because I own a lighting but Jonny lighting runs 9’s in his and he has about 4K in his motor far less then the guy who has a nissian with 6K in the engine http://www.johnnylightningperf.com/about.php
So lets look at this realisticly it is all about the most bang for your buck. Let start with a 69 Mustang no engine,
The cheapest skyline front clip I could find is $4,500 plus shiping:
http://www.venus-auto.com/monthly/special.htm
Now brand new ford 351 crate motor with racing internals is only $2,800:
http://www.fordracingparts.com/crateengine/smallblock.asp
Now I still have another $1,700 to spend before I even catch up to the money that I spent on that used Nissian motor so lets throw a blower kist in there:
http://www.superchargersonline.com/product_detail.asp?PartNumber=PAX1001846-P
So now we are up $4,500 for both cars, on stock 280HP nissian motor, and a blown 351 with close to 400hp so clearly for this car the more bank for your buck is a V8. and not the nissian motor. and another thing to consider is what the car is going to be used for. I mean for Drag Racing you need Torque and the V8 is great at making torque the only motor better then a v8 for making torque is a diesel. But thne you loose the best bang for your buck. Now a Skyline motor is a better motor for drifting because you need the RPM’s to keep the car sideways. but hell I have seen V8 rev to 11 grand also sure they were in monster but has anyone ever seen a straight 6 put out over 3000hp Top fuel cars do it all the time. I mean you have draw the line somewhere just because you can do something doesnt mean you do it .
What is next a Rotary in a 68 camaro?
February 7th, 2006 at 7:38 pm
No, I wouldn’t put a rotary in a ‘68 camaro, because they’re too unreliable at 500 horsepower and up, plus requiring 93 octane or race gas at those power levels. An LS1 or LS2 or LS6, moderately cammed with new heads, maybe new pistons/rods to change the comp ratio, and maybe even a wussy shot of nitrous, could easily push 500 horsepower on pump gas, probably 91 octane, and wouldn’t be as touchy as a rotary on the street. Plus rotary’s get atrocious mileage. Car and Driver got like 17 commuting. I mean come on, the RX-8 weighs 3050#. But that’s besides the point, and I’m tired of lsx’s in first gen camaros anyway.
The issue here is that this car is too different from the norm, and people don’t like change. “Oooh, put a hot 302 in it.” “Oooh, put a 351 in it.” “Oooh, put a 390 in it. “Oooh, put a torque monster 460 in it.” “Oooh, put an ‘03 Cobra Kenne Bell motor in it, and that’ll be Way Different.” Big deal, a new mustang motor in an old mustang. People put 3rd gen TPI motors in 67-69 (1st gen) Camaros too. Nobody really cared beyond, “Oh, that’s cool”. Something this different is pretty sweet, because it reminds us all that occasionally someone has the freshness of mind to go way out there, and change the rules. Instead of another small-block or big-block, this is a car that has much different performance characteristics, a much different sound, and a much different feel. It would be very interesting to drive, and is probably a lot of fun.
Also, that guy whining about the soul of japanese cars is full of it. They have comic books about their cars and the drifting kings. Those people really care about the way a car works, the way it handles, the way it acts, and I think a lot of them are more car enthusiasts than the guys in the states who put glasspacks on their wannabe muscle cars and go to cruise nights to pick up girls.
The idea I talk about above, this newness, doesn’t really matter in this case because we’re all bitching about how corporate America created this lame hybrid of domestic looks and import muscle to lure people to go see this movie, and they’ll all ooh and ahh when they see RB26 under the hood. The movie company did this because it’s different and they already had that blown Charger in the first movie, exhausting the amount of “American Muscle” the 17 year olds will pay to see.
BUT, if someone did this privately, I’d frigging cheer, because it’s radically different, and if they went to these lengths, it’d probably be radically fast, which sure beats the hell out of most 302 and 289 fastbacks running around. Hell, and 390s. A private party could also dump the exhaust at the axle, avoiding any fart can exhaust, and mufflers have been designed that offer high flow for good power and power deliverability but would be a lot quieter than most ricey compacts.
Lastly, avoid stereotyping the people who present their opinions here, because it can’t lead to anything good, even if your guess is dead on. To do so really only invalidates your opinion because you’re targeting someone, instead of their opinion. Political candidates do this, if you haven’t noticed, and nobody likes them.
BTW, I’m 17, my favorite movie is Bullitt, starring both Steve Mcqueen, and a 1968 Mustang, which is definitely the best looking mustang I’ve ever seen, I want an LT1 Camaro right now, and I dream of a 2002 Camaro RS with a turbo BBC, for 1000 lb-ft on pump gas.
And I wasn’t even gonna comment on this discussion.
February 9th, 2006 at 11:00 am
My name is Jordan I run a shop called Drag International (.com)
We imported 2 of the cars used in the F&F movie,
The supra:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b378/draglarry/supra/
And this Type-R RSX:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b378/draglarry/RSX/
The RSX I sold on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4603975941&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESO%3AIT&rd=1
anyways, the point is, Im A legit importer, so first lets clear up some prices of these motorsets. I see a lot of bogus prices, here are my factual prices if you walked up and purchased one of these from me today:
I sell RB25DET Skyline motorsets complete (everything for install) for $2500
I sell RB26DETT Skyline GT-R motorsets for $4000
SR20DET motorsets range from $2000-$5000 depends on the year and model.
That said, Here are some authentic power potentials of these motorsets:
RB25DET Skyline motors have been known reliable on stock internals up to 500~ BHP
RB26DETT Skyline GT-R motors (previous to 1998) are known for reliable 600-800~ Daily driven horsepower
SR20DET (any model) being a mere 2.0L and aluminum block are only feasibly reliable to approx 450BHP daily, with 400BHP being more realistic and safer.
This is all on stock internals, cams, etc.. just a bigger turbo and fuel management.
Now lets get something else straight. Power to weight ratio; the typical 240SX you would install a SR20DET or RB25DET into weighs a mere 2600Lbs WITH THE MOTOR IN IT. That means your typical 3500Lb camaro would need an extra 80-100Horsepower just to keep up. thats why my 260RWHP 240sx can take your 350RWHP camaro/vette or whatever.
Bump a 240sx up to 400WHP keeping it reliable and your camaro would need 580RWHP just to keep up. thats power to weight raito. Weight affects everything: Handling, acceleration, braking, you name it. Thats why these “ricer” cars are so damn fast and amazing around corners.
The F&F movie makes a mockery of these cars, I almost had to be tied down to be forced to watch it 100% through. Dont judge them based on a silly movie. and I hate Honda, not because they are “rice” but just because they are very… mundane. Ordinary. As someone else said, there is no “style”. I agree 100% with that. But they can still be very fast. We have an all motor Honda here with a 2002 Acura Type-R K20 (2.0L motor) that makes 240WHP Naturall aspirated, in a 1800Lb civic hatch it runs low 12’s, and on a 115shot it runs low 11’s. that is power to weight ratio again, and it DEMANDS respect. You can call it as many names as you want, but you still have to respect it when it passes you like you stand still.
I started with American muscle. My first car was a 1969 Z-28 Camaro, with the 302DZ motor. I’ve owned maybe 5-10 American cars. A couple have been twin turbo small blocks. One was a big block, but it was N/A. I love the sound, the smell, the feel. But to be honest, without being biased, my Japanese car just handles better, moves quicker, gets much better fuel economy, and is far more fun to drive. Its quieter, cleaner, and it demands respect. call it whatever you want. And dont tell me my cars dont have “style” or “good looks” its all about taste.
Look at some of my cars, I dont care what you think, but maybe some of you will learn something, and even if you hate it, knowledge- even the smallest bit of extra info, is never a bad thing to have.
http://photobucket.com/albums/b378/draglarry/blue_240sx/
http://photobucket.com/albums/b378/draglarry/example_cars/
http://photobucket.com/albums/b378/draglarry/silvia/
http://photobucket.com/albums/b378/draglarry/skyline/
http://photobucket.com/albums/b378/draglarry/supra/
They are all owned by me, and some are for sale:
geocities.com/kingtaling
And dont get me started on its “pull” Agreed the 383 was N/A the 2.6 is not
February 10th, 2006 at 7:27 am
“And for the ignorant ass who made the comment about american cars not handling, EVER HEAR OF THE GT-40….”
…which was made by Ford Advanced Vehicles and Lola in Slough, England: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GT40
I do love the GT40 and the Dodge Charger is one of my favorite cars of all time, I just think that as good as a tuned V8 sounds, they are beaten by Japanese and European engines for reliability, specific output per litre, power to weight of the engine and overall efficiency.
February 12th, 2006 at 10:45 pm
In the end, it all comes down to preference/choice/opinion.
Again, not all Import cars are “rice”
There are some people that like to mod their import cars just as tastefully as the domestic guys do.
Also, what do you domestic guys think of TV show’s like TLCs RIDES?
They do GREAT/amazing work, but then they go and slap some 20″ rims on a 68 mustang?? Now that, in my opinion, is domestic rice.
I prefer FUNCTION over FASHION.
But in the end, EVERYONE likes to GO FAST and LOOK GOOD while doing it!
February 13th, 2006 at 3:16 am
Stuff the V8’s, Stuff the 6′bangers, Stuff pistons in general!!
Rotarys are taking over!!!
February 17th, 2006 at 8:02 pm
This is RIDICTULOUS this mustang is supposed to AMERICAN MUSCLE what were u guys thinking!!!!!!!!!
March 11th, 2006 at 11:34 am
hey can we all stop fighting, yes its a mustang, yes it has a nissan engine in it, who cares. i own three stangs, and if i had the money i be doing weird stuff to two of them. just hand it to the people who converted the car over. all i ask will someone put a ford cammer in a r-34. see who complains then
March 14th, 2006 at 8:19 pm
Guess what rolled up next to me at the lights the other day. A 1969 Stingray. Now me sitting there in my STOCK 1.6L Honda with mismatched panels and stock 14″ wheels decided to see how fast it really was. Of course i sat there like a ‘ricer’ reving my Honda, and Mr v8 man just laughed and floored it when the lights turned green. It was a massacre. His torque got him in front for about 3 seconds but as soon as i hit 5000 revs I was gone. Imagine how he felt. This car that cost me $1200 just walked all over him. Don’t try and tell me he wasn’t going for it because all i could hear behind me was v8.
(Disclaimer: Panels are mismatched due to a crash by previous owner, is getting a rollcage fitted and painted gloss black in 2 weeks, was running stock wheels as 17″ racing alloys are being straightened at the moment)
Don’t get me wrong, i still love the old muscle cars, they are just are slow, guzzle gas and can’t turn a corner.
March 17th, 2006 at 4:09 pm
have any of you ricers ever went up against an svo mustang, yeah you might have and gauranteed you got worked, and for the comment about stock internals, the svo was capable of 500whp with out any problems and there is also guys around that have over 1000whp and run well under the 10 second mark, so dont try to push your japanese made engines are better before you do your homework.
March 21st, 2006 at 11:26 am
And the contest for closed minded commentary goes on, with ridiculous extremes from both sides… “”OMG it’s not a v8 therefore it sucks,” or “OMG it’s American so it sucks.”
It’s just a car. A car for a movie. And the powerplant is a known performer. Why does it matter so much where it came from?
March 24th, 2006 at 11:25 am
So much idiocy here.
Let me just say that I have a MASSIVE hardon for Skylines — about as much as possible without having driven or owned one. If I sit down, forget all real cars, and try to come up with my ideal all-round car, I’d come up with something that’s closer to a Skyline GT-R than it is to anything else. I have a HUGE bias in favor of that car in a lot of ways. And I’ll STILL school you fools who think the RB has ANY PLACE in a Mustang.
As beautiful as the RB series engines are, they are very clearly NOT the best engines out there. They are LONG and HEAVY engines that NEED revs to make power. They may be able to handle 600hp without upgraded internals, but a worked muscle V8 — a 427, for example — could EASILY exceed that WITHOUT TURBOS. And that’s just power: the 427 will make more torque at 2000rpm than the RB EVER will. You can yammer on about gearing all you want, because the shortest, closest set of gears in the world won’t save you from a torque curve wider and flatter than the breadbasket states. Toss a snail or a blower on the 427 and it’s all over.
What’s more, a big-displacement engine can have an aluminum block (the RB’s block is iron, and incredibly heavy). That means it’s lighter, and if all you care about is speed, that means it’s better.
NOT EVEN SKYLINES ARE USING RB ENGINES ANY MORE. Do a Google search for the latest iteration of the Xanavi Hiroto R34 Skyline GT-R racer from the early 2000s. Find the specs on it. What’s the engine? A VQ30DETT — an aluminum block V6 that weighs half as much, takes half the space, and makes more power than the RB26DETT it replaced. As a result, the car goes faster, brakes better, corners harder, and is easier to drive.
So, why in the hell would you use an RB if you have room in the engine bay for a big V8 that could be lighter, smaller, simpler, more powerful, more durable, and WAY torquier? Simple answer: You wouldn’t. Need more evidence? How about the new Corvette ZO6? No iron-block inline turbo powerplant there. It’s powered by a low, compact, wide-angle, all-aluminum, big-displacement V8, and it will RIP TO SHREDS almost anything that comes its way — including some exotics costing THREE TIMES AS MUCH.
Now, allow me to reiterate… Given the choice between a ZO6 and ANY Skyline GT-R, I’d take the Skyline and laugh at you for even suggesting the alternative. But at least I know enough to know that there are FAR better engines than the RB, and that anyone who doesn’t see that needs to go back to their XBox and keep playing Need for Speed.
March 27th, 2006 at 1:13 pm
that isn’t right!!! hell if your going to do that to a mustang then why don’t you just drive it off a cliif and be done with…it’s a mustang and they should have v8s not a damn v6!!!! what the hell were these people thinkin!!!!!!!! GAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!
March 29th, 2006 at 8:44 am
My name is Tony, I race Formula A. First off I’d like to say this is kinda embarrassing. I wouldnt wanna drive a front wheel drive mustang, (or any front wheel drive car) no matter how much power it has. Some dumbass up there said;
” i’d like to see your v8 compete on the track..
im sure the rb will make much more whp stock with just a boost controller, if thats what you’re looking for.”
Well….. From a physical standpoint, front wheel drive drive cars are not anywhere near as effective on the racetrack as a rear wheel drive. When a car takes off (it doesnt matter if its gunning it from a dead stop or accelerating out of a turn), weight is transferred backwards, and thus in a rear wheel drive car, weight is put down on the rear tires preventing wheelspin. On the other hand, A front wheel drive car would cause incredible wheelspin but no grip (which is why a cheap civic can burn out with like 70 HP). I would bet that a rwd mustand with half as much horsepower, but same weight, as this fwd mustang would beat it on the race circuit.
But thats just coming from a formula car driver.
March 30th, 2006 at 9:37 pm
1.6 VTEC Says: He beat a 69 Stingray.
I relly hope your not talking about the corvette stingray. The 400hp/450tq stingray. So when you hit 5k rpm your 160 hp was pulling on his 400hp. You could beat a 69 6 cylinder mustang. If the thing was anywhere close to running condition hed walk all over you. Try comparing your car to on that was not made 37 years ago.
March 30th, 2006 at 9:50 pm
Okay guys I use to be a little hard headed and still am a big Muscle car fan but I have to give props where they are do the Import cars from Nissian are fantastic espically around corners. Being a muscle car fan and still would like to see american cars whoop imports no offense to other countries we all should be proud of were we come from. What I believed happen was Americans like usal got complacent lazy and cheap we mass produce worse crap than japan when you come to think about it. I am a big Chevy fan I love old chevy’s the sound of the car reving is like the car is actually talking. Fart pipes are like saying hey look at me i am a souped up lawn mower. What America needs to do is stop arguing and start kicking ass I mean look at GM who fault is that accept the companies…. I am glad the muscle car / hotrods interest is coming back with retro stuff but instead of retro crap that looks plastic and fake why dont we try to re-release 68 mustangs again combine low and high tech. But than again you can always make a kit car or clone but man I dont have time for that and It just wont feel the same.
I hope America gets its pride and craftmenship back if you seen F&F why do you think our youth is so screwed up watch the live version of Inital D and tell me japanese dont take pride in there older cars or racing. To be honest with you we can only blame our lazyness, greed, and lack of creativity for the shit we mass produce to day. (to clarify when was the last time you seen a mass produced american car make you say in your heart and soul this car feels like apart of me it has its own personality, not talking purly about engines just in general)
Enough of my rambeling Long Live the Idea of the Muscle car all our children should at least been taken to a classic car show one time in thier life we are losing that heritage.
April 5th, 2006 at 9:17 am
You guys are all losers. Am I the only real racer here? I mean yeah, I love to hear a 5.0 mustang whine off the line, and I think American cars really are better than japs, but dont start talking about racing untill you’ve had some experience yourself. And i dont mean adding an exhaust tip and some primer to your civic, or supercharging your mustang. Any asswad can do that. It takes a real racer to perform on the spec racing circuit, where engines are sealed, ening no modifications. Tires, fuel, and chassis setup are extremely limited, and even spark plugs and air filters are strictly specified. Street racing is for losers who cant make it on the track, or then the only track they can make it on is the straight one.
I dont know what all you FWD owners mean by “American cars dont handle”. When it comes to the racetrack, RWD is the only option. Physically, when a car accelerates forward, weight is transferred towards the back of the car, helping rear wheel grip. Thats why its easier to burn out in a FWD car, because weight is actually removed from the front tires. Thats exactly why FWD cars dont work on a race circuit, because when accelerating out of a turn, its almost impossible to prevent wheelspin on a FWD car, and thus it creates an incredible amount of understeer, or “push”, where the car doesnt behave to steering, and pushes forward. However, a rear wheel drive car can be controlled during this occurance, even if it developes into a bit of oversteer (or that bullshit jap term “drift”).
SPEC racing is for men, Drag racing is for men with money who cant compete on equal grounds, and street racing is for the pussies who are too scared to do either.
Tony G.
Formula A
April 7th, 2006 at 10:42 am
Nothing a $3000 382 LS1 couldn’t waste.
April 10th, 2006 at 4:35 am
I dont have a problem with it at all - I’d love to own all sorts of cars, both in their “original” condition, and a few hybrids - I’m in the process of sticking a “ricer” honda engine into an old austin mini - some people say its plain stupid, and a few of us just see it as a project - making an old car more reliable for daily use !
I’d quite happily drive an RB26 engined mustang, a V8 powered lada or anything else anyone can build - the more people stray from convention the better if you ask me !
Rich
April 11th, 2006 at 11:01 am
2006 Nissan 350z
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Revised appearance and features mark Nissan’s two-seat sports cars for 2006. The 2006 Nissan 350z comes as a hatchback coupe and a convertible. Coupe models are base, Enthusiast, Touring, Track, and new Grand Touring. Convertibles come in Enth…
April 11th, 2006 at 11:15 am
2006 Nissan Maxima
The Maxima is Nissan’s midsize sport sedan which received both new styling and an increase in performance with the introduction of the sixth-generation Maxima for 2004. The Maxima originally joined the Nissan lineup for the 1981 model year as a rear…
April 11th, 2006 at 11:52 am
Camaro Concept Car
The 2008 Chevrolet Camaro Concept Car is all the rave in the automotive world these days. With it’s classic, new edge retro kind of look it will likely build on the same fundamentals that made the 2005 Ford Mustang so popular. The question i…
April 11th, 2006 at 11:57 am
2006 Chevrolet Cobalt
Chevy touts Cobalt as a “premium subcompact” that’s superior in every way to the old Cavalier, hence the new name. Cobalt shares GM’s Delta platform with the Saturn Ion. Next summer, Chevy is due to start building a Delta-based…
April 11th, 2006 at 12:06 pm
2006 Z06 Chevrolet Corvette
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The ultimate Corvette—the 2006 Corvette Z06—is posting numbers at the track and on the window sticker that will get attention. Chevrolet has announced that the fastest Corvette ever—the 505-horsepower Corvette Z06—will achieve 0-60 mph in 3….
April 11th, 2006 at 12:12 pm
Diesel Car Production in the US expected to increase.
Diesel cars are everywhere in Europe, but they’ve never gone mainstream in the United States.
After years of squabbling among automakers, oil companies and regulators, technology and the demand for better fuel economy have progressed enough to ma…
April 12th, 2006 at 12:45 pm
Is drag racing the only form of motorsports in the USA? It seems like every iron head that has posted here is against making turns, especially left and right hand turns. Prepare your cars how you wish then take them to Topeka, KS this fall for the SCCA Solo II Nationals. See how you car does in it’s class. Then have a car in that same class drag race you. I would put $100 that the car will still beat you.
April 14th, 2006 at 7:45 am
rotarys are not taking over take a look at the ls1 powered Rx7 if they are so great why is there a v8 in it
April 14th, 2006 at 7:52 am
quote [Stuff the V8’s, Stuff the 6′bangers, Stuff pistons in general!!
Rotarys are taking over!!!] ya thats why there is a v8 in a rx7
April 16th, 2006 at 4:59 pm
I kinda feel like the car is depreciated with that RB26 sitting in there. Don’t get me wrong, the R34 is one of my favorite cars, tied with a Shelby Cobra 427 for top spot. I can appreciate the thought and concept of this hybrid exercise, but it seems like it just wasnt meant to be; like pineapple or pickles on a pizza, would you really want to eat that(i understand that some people do, more power to you.)? Just My opinion.
Cammer in an R-34? I was wondering if someone else would up something like this. What other crazy hybrids can we think up of? 400 hp turbo rotory in a early 60s Ford Cortina? 550 hp supercharged Ford sb V8 in an old RWD Carolla/Celica. 800hp twin turbo V8 in an Infiniti G35 coupe? Whoops, Top Secret already did that one.
April 24th, 2006 at 9:55 am
Excuse me…. I just returned from the bathroom from puking after I saw that fart can on the back of that Mustang. The person that constructed that car should be taken out and shot. I don’t understand why on earth they installed a ricer engine in a car that represents American power. We all know they will have a V8 sound track overlayed to make the car sound like a V8 and trick photography will definately be over used in this movie to show speed, so why change things around on the Mustang. When this gets out to the Mustang/Ford community…they will loose every movie go’er that has a Ford. It would of sure been nice to see this car compete……..compete……nothing really competes on the big screen…it’s all computer generated….but still… it would of been nice to see this V8 powered/sounding car run with those Tokyo ricers. Kinda like the Charger in FF1….
For all you kiddies 15-20…. remember….REAL MEN DRIVE V8′S…4Cly are for Mickey…
April 25th, 2006 at 10:10 am
2006 Ford Mustang GT-H Hertz
Mustang Performance for Rent!
Forty years ago, Carroll Shelby and The Hertz Corporation came up with an ingenious plan to help get a batch of high-performance, special-edition Shelby Mustangs into the hands of rental customers who also happened to b…
April 25th, 2006 at 2:29 pm
it requires 2 turbos to get that horsepower take a trip to around 1966 and look at the ford SOHC 427 NO TURBOS OR SUPERS AND STOCK IT MADE NEARLY 700 HORSEPOWER!!!! Lets see some stock rice do that!(also thats more power than alot of ferrari V12’s!)Ricers sound like bees send em’ back to the hive.
April 26th, 2006 at 3:30 pm
that is probably the stupidest thing ive seen done to a classic american muscle car
it is a disgrace….y would you ever put a import engine in a classic car like that?
at only 250hp it wont be turning heads in amazment…they would be turning away with disgust
April 27th, 2006 at 11:44 am
I find it funny that people make it a point to mention how much the nissan engine costs, and how much cheaper it would be to put in a domestic V8. My reply = Who cares? This is a movie car, built by a studio with a virtually unlimited budget, and they couldn’t care less if an old 302 with a carb is gona be half the price. As long as they are not spending YOUR money, why do you care if it’s cost-effective?
For the person who says that properly tuned carbs can have the same mpg as fuel injection, maybe so, but what about all the other advantages of f.i.? I would much rather pay the extra grand on an engine buildup, and buy f.i., and get more power, better throttle response, lower emissions, automatic fine-tuning for every condition, and no starvation of the engine under high g-loads. Sounds like a bargain to me.
But then again, you could always just disregard everything I just said and reply with one of my favorites, “Omg dat ricer motor sux, jap sux, it makes like 2 torque, and it needs a 1000-lb hemi engine to be cool!!!”
April 28th, 2006 at 4:59 pm
Well that’s pretty disgusting. Those rims… that exhaust… on such a nice car. The cars in the old days had style. They had lines, they had trim, they had features. They weren’t efficient, but as someone else said, they had soul. Now everything is boxes. If you want efficiency, then go buy a scion xb or a honda element. I can’t even find a piece of cardboard to make something that boxy. The new cars have no style, its all conformity. Cheap, reliable cars, which IS abosolutely necesarry, especially with gas prices soaring to over $3 a gallon (in USA).
But on that mustang, the legendary 67 fastback, you don’t put a japanese engine in it… or rims, or that fart pipe. It’s no longer a muscle car, it has the fart sound of 6 cylinder. the things I hear in the city everyday where they have 2 rims, a donut, a hubcap, an unpainted ‘tuner’ front bumper, and an obnoxious exhaust that screams “I’m slooooooowwwwww” as it goes through the gears.
I drive a 98 honda civic, and the only thing I do for appearance is wash it.
There’s a reason that a hemi cuda can sell for $100,000, or a Shelby GT 500 can sell for close to 200,000. Those ‘piece of crap’ muscle cars are worth as much as any supercar out there, but if they perform so bad, then why?
I have read a lot of articles on the Shelby Mustangs produced back in the 60’s. They used to have to advertise LESS horsepower to keep insurance costs down. Now they advertise bhp instead of whp so it looks like more. Take a look at cars from the 30’s too. The whole design element of cars, which used to be more of a work of art, has turned into a jackson pollock trend.
And about what 1.6 VTEC said… I have a 1.8L stock vtec motor (i found out from changing the air filter) and unless the guy had a heart attack in that stingray, there’s no way you would have beat him.
May 7th, 2006 at 4:57 pm
I completely understand the love of muscle cars, especially the fantastic sound of a cammed V8 engine. In the garage at my house there is a fully restored 1972 Chevelle with a modded 350 that is probably my favorite car to cruise in. My passion for cars came from my father’s 68 mustang convertible with a 428 cobrajet. But right now, I drive a 2003 Nissan 350Z daily. I find that all of these cars are incredibly sexy, but each in its own unique way. Our Chevelle is a beautiful machine, but even with a modern suspension system and disc brakes, the car simpy doesnt handle well. The 350Z is an entirely different beast than the Chevelle. The Z was built with high speed stability and cornering in mind. Its built for a roadcourse. Its quick too, but its not a drag car. If you muscle car guys even know what a 350Z looks like, you would have to say its one of the best looking NEW vehicles out there. Why cant any of you guys at least try to understand the difference in mentality between Japanese design and American design?